Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

Emblematic

Final chart from me for the evening.

This is disposable income per capita adjusted for ppp relative to the average for the year for the OECD countries. We can see from the chart that Ireland (the thick reddish line) starts off at roughly the average for the OECD countries in 2000. Then it rises a bit peaking in 2005 at about 1.18 of the average. Then the bubble bursts and disposable income takes a hit but we've only recovered slightly since then and we're back to being stagnant again at the OECD average. Hardly any relative movement for the last seven years or so.

Source:

https://data-viewer.oecd.org/?chartId=be242343-d139-41ea-a75b-07531126bcca

How, despite genuine economic growth, are we still at the same position relative to the other OECD countries that we were in 2000? And why has there been hardly any relative recovery since the financial crisis? I think part of the answer is that we've had very high net inward migration keeping wages down whilst pushing up housing costs.

Necro

Mod: Can we move on from the Ukraine discussion please. If you want to discuss the war in more depth there is a thread to do so. Posters on an Irish website thousands of miles away from the country in question debating where or not is safe to return to with a war ongoing comes across as more than a little disingenuous.

This thread is only about immigration as the warnings in the OP already state.

As always PM me if there are any issues, don't respond on thread.

RoyalCelt

https://www.newstalk.com/news/tourist-numbers-and-spending-in-ireland-fall-by-around-25-2144847

Not only are we making the same mistakes as Sweden etc did 30 years ago we've the added bonus of tanking our tourism industry and added to a disastrous housing crisis.

tastyt

The next big issue is going to make things even worse . I live near a town where absolutely top class modular homes were built for Ukrainian refugees , at the time nobody really had issue with it and we thought it was the right thing .

When this war ends and these 60 modular homes are left empty who do you think our snakes in government are going to move into these homes all over the country ?

A clue , it won’t be the Irish homeless

zell12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123246985#Comment_123246985

Most puzzling how the NGOs have gone almost silent in the media

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123263282#Comment_123263282

Some of this is to do with the cap at Dublin airport. 27k fewer seats have been allocated for St Patricks Holiday this year because of the cap.

That is potentially 27k people who now wont be coming to Ireland at all.

mrslancaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123263675#Comment_123263675

Do all tourists flying into the country need to land at Dublin though. Can tourists not use the other airports around the country? It’s like saying everyone flying to the UK has to land in London.
Maybe we should upgrade our regional airports instead of increasing the cap at Dublin.

(Edit…this is probably a discussion for a different thread 😔)

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123263779#Comment_123263779

Yes we have tourists coming to the other airports but the numbers are low.

Of the 27000 that cant come to Dublin, they certainly wont all divert to other airports and most probably wont come at all.

I imagine Belfast will do well from the passenger cap in Dublin. 2 hour train ride down to Dublin from there and trains on the hour until 9pm.

Much easier to get to Belfast airport and then onto Dublin than to go via Shannon/Cork.

creeper1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123260975#Comment_123260975

This is going to add another massive pull factor.

How is this educational bill going to be paid?

Also who is going be paying this educational bill?

This could be the beginning stages of another industry (the education industry) cashing in another racket.

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123263609#Comment_123263609

Very quiet for a change. However, if it were independents who came out with the charge then the well-connected NGO migrant complex would be frothing at the mouth along with their lackeys in the media.

tom23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123263609#Comment_123263609

Not all them. Listening to Newstalk breakfast the other day and one was on talking absolute rubbish… Johnathan Healy in fairness asked her questions about the validity of economic migrants… head in the sand stuff from the immigration / migrant NGO rep.

Geert von Instetten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123264205#Comment_123264205

Fiona “I’m unsure if I agree with that characterisation” Hurley from NASC. I wish journalist were willing to quote a few of the less common statistics, I’m unsure even Fiona Hurley would have had a retort to the fact that a third of asylum seekers have protected status in a different EU Member State. It’s blatant asylum fraud.

tom23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123264332#Comment_123264332

That’s the person. you are unsure Fiona? well welcome to the club…

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2025/0314/1502151-dublin-rape-sentence/

Rapist with 19 previous convictions? No worries, stroll on in, this is Ireland!

Immediately at liberty in the country and within a few days rapes a young woman and destroys her life.

Irish taxpayer picks up the bill for this rapist’s trial and legal defense and now we get the privilege of paying for his incarceration for the next decade.

It should not be possible to swan into the country as an asylum applicant and be instantly allowed to walk around wherever you want

Ozvaldo

How many more like that have arrived under the governments immigration policy-disgusting

tom23

I thought all asylum seekers were vetted?

Mike Murdock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123264446#Comment_123264446

Let's hope he is deported back to Guyana when his sentence is up.

DeadHand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123264639#Comment_123264639

Not to any effective degree.

We have been told on this thread that this is fine because tourists aren't vetted either.

Recent incidents and reports from the courts would indicate that this is, in fact, not fine at all.

I commented earlier that Ireland, in its ongoing refusal to protect its people or resources, has become an excellent option for international criminals.

I might be forgiven for thinking we are well on the road to devolution from a stable, successful nation-state to a sort of global penal colony.

But remember, lads, international obligations.

What of national obligations?

Did the state have any obligation toward the 18 year old raped by this person?

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123264446#Comment_123264446

This final piece in the linked article caught my attention:

Counsel [John Peart] said his client is a foreign national, and serving time in an Irish prison would be difficult. He also said: "I respectfully say that this falls below the ten-year level."

How can John Peart put forward a motion like that in full knowledge that it directly contravenes the equality act? It's absurd and a prime example of reverse racism in action. A disgusting symptom of official Ireland and feeds well into the argument that Irish natives are second-class citizens in their own home. Shameful and indefensible.

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123264713#Comment_123264713

I'd day there's better chances you have 6 numbers in tomorrow night's lotto. This guy will more than likely get one of the modular homes when he gets out - the Ukrainians will most likely be gone from alot of them by that stage.

DeadHand

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123264713#Comment_123264713

Tragically unlikely.

Ireland is governed in a morally feeble fashion.

DebDynamite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123264727#Comment_123264727

If serving time in a prison will be difficult for them as foreign nationals, it doesn’t say much about their ability to integrate.

Canaibh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123264718#Comment_123264718

They don't care about Irish people.

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123263675#Comment_123263675

Do you acknowledge some of this is to do with immigration as well?

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123264727#Comment_123264727

This really riles me, so what if they are foreign and have language barriers, do the crime, do the time, then deport or revoke citizenship then deport

I hate reading these reports about lack of English and being a non national taken into consider by judges in sentencing

Ozvaldo

Mod Edit: Warned for trolling

Headshot

It's an unfairness to all this shambles

You want to build a house on your families land, you need planning permission and constantly gets rejected, no problem for the government who can circumvent planning permission for the immigration industry.

You live in a small village where the hotel is the life blood of the community but that's gone now because of this governments AS policy. The rich get richer. Rich individuals who have no tie to the local community have no problem destroying the community for their greed.

You know people who cannot get a medical card, well no problem for AS who cause overcrowding at your local GP. There should no benefits provided what so ever.

The Billions spent on this industry even though as the Government have admitted most are economic migrates and have no right to claim asylum but yet they keep coming because Ireland has no deterrents.

I really despise what's happening to the country. When you have other countries to use as examples of the issues with immigration, UK, Sweden etc, why are we not learning from their mistakes and stop this fecking madness

tom23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123265135#Comment_123265135

I depise what it has become. so much for getting up early in the morning.

Headshot

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2025/03/14/no-new-asylum-seeker-centres-in-certain-areas-due-to-local-feedbackand-criminality/

The Government has stopped opening new asylum seeker accommodation centres in certain parts of the country, including north inner-city Dublin, due to “local and political feedback”, according to internal Government documents seen by The Irish Times.

Under the policy, the International Protection Accommodation Service (IPAS), an agency of the Department of Integration, stopped accepting several types of “properties and locations”, in 2024.

As well as properties in north inner-city Dublin, these include hotels that are the “last hotel in town” and properties in several counties including Kerry, Clare, Mayo and Donegal that had previously been used for housing Ukrainian refugees

It's funny only last year we heard Harris saying locals do not have a veto…..

But here we are.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2025/03/14/disused-banks-pubs-and-equestrian-centres-could-be-used-to-house-asylum-seekers/

Banks, nightclubs and equestrian centres are among the properties that could be used to house international protection (IP) applicants, according to internal Government documents.

The Department of Integration wants to extend temporary legislation which loosens the rules around which types of properties can be used as asylum seeker accommodation.

If this government only had the same creativity to solve the housing crisis for Irish Citizens.

It's sickening that they are still trying circumvent planning laws for AS, why are they doing this, why are they bending over backwards for mostly economic migrates who have no right to claim asylum.

I'm just so angry by it all

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123265588#Comment_123265588

It's sickening that they are still trying circumvent planning laws for AS, why are they doing this, why are they bending over backwards for mostly economic migrates who have no right to claim asylum.

It all feeds in to the questionable narrative/conspiracy theory about diluting/replacing the native population.

It's funny only last year we heard Harris saying locals do not have a veto…..

But here we are.

Those who bang the drum and say that the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth is usually about six months are starting to sound more and more like the sane ones. Sad as that may sound.