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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭briangriffin


    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/department-responsible-for-housing-asylum-seekers-will-not-publicly-identify-staff-following-threats-1729570.html

    The department of children have decided that they will no longer publish or identify any names of staff involved with IPAS accomadation.

    They have also decided they will no longer publish the location of new IPAS accomadation... that would seem counterproductive to community engagement in my opinion and transparency with the electorate.

    The department of children has seen its budget in 2019 go from 1.79 billion to 8.27 billion in 2025.

    The single biggest percentage and monetary increase in expenditure in any department of the government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,319 ✭✭✭prunudo


    They have also decided they will no longer publish the location of new IPAS accomadation... that would seem counterproductive to community engagement in my opinion and transparency with the electorate.

    Won't be much of a change of policy for them, their engagement and integration team were as useful as a chocolate teapot.

    Edited, as might be deemed an anecdote. But anyone who is from communities who had to deal with the engagement and integration team will know the score.

    Post edited by prunudo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,766 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Is that Carol Nolan who now supports FF/FG? She is a teacher and a landlord, so I suppose it was inevitable.

    Either way she was speaking predominately about Ukranians, at a time when Putin was weaponizing millions of refugees to try and destabilise the EU as the Kremlins disinformation machine was trying to turn Europeans against them i.e. attack social cohesion.

    She basically became a useful idiot of Russian aggression and propaganda. A more nuanced and experienced politician wouldn't have fallen for it. Well apart from Clare Daly and that other muppet.

    do you remeber the last debate pre election on primetime about immigration where the far left parties blamed Peadar Toibin for raising concerns about immigration numbers and said his rhetoric emboldened the far right and caused a racist attack on a woman on dublin bus…

    No. Surely there is video evidence of it?

    I do like Peadar but he is another lad who takes a half truth and runs with it.

    Both him and Carol were party colleagues at one stage.

    Both campaigned strongly against womens reproductive health. Again not a great look in hindsight or back then really.

    I can post more links if it helps

    Please do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    It wouldn't matter what videos you were shown. As per this post you would just invoke a bit of Trumpism and deny, deflect, diffuse.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    How exactly does Carol Nolan support FF/FG? Herself and Mattie McGrath are independent politicians. They are only linked to 4 other Regional Independent government politicians in trying to form a technical group which would allow Nolan and McGrath more speaking time in the Dail.

    Unless I've been mistaken amongst all the nonsensical shenanigans from this new government the past couple of months? I stand corrected if so. If not, why misrepresent Carol Nolan as a FF/FG stooge happy to make hay as a landlord?

    Why is this thread always full of complete misrepresentations from folk who are happy to have a lawless migration system.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,766 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The only one invoking Trumpism was Carol Nolan.

    Personally I think the minister was quite restrained in his reply, should have called her for what she was doing far more stronger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,766 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    How exactly does Carol Nolan support FF/FG? Herself and Mattie McGrath are independent politicians

    Both of them ran a campaign opposing FG and FF policies.

    Both of them voted for the new and extended cabinet.

    De facto supporting FF / FG.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,549 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    It proves our media are **** stupid and are taking us for fools



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭tom23




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭briangriffin


    Imagine the level of cognitive dissonace you would have to have to ask for examples of people being denigrated for questioning immigration and then when presented with the clearest evidence possible you go to move is to accuse the TD of being a Russian propagandist....

    You Literally couldn't make it up really, its alright chief no matter what I show you up will be down with you.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So just to be clear, Carol Nolan is not part of the government. There are 7 members of the Rural independent group, plus the 2 Healy Raes. Nolan is not a part of any of that in terms of the new government.

    She is an independent TD. Your attempt to discredit her as some FF/FF lackey making hay as a landlord is ridiculous. Anything to discredit one of the only people to speak common sense on the migration issue over the past 2 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,964 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,247 ✭✭✭Jizique


    New German government agrees to end family reunification from my early read, also turning arrivals back at border



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,538 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭tom23


    Don’t think so. We have international obligations. We seem to be more obligated than other EU countries.

    Post edited by tom23 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,190 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    They did compromise themselves, that is true.

    But at least they closed the door on your pals in Sinn Fein/Labour, and various other far left splinter groups.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,574 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I do so love the "International obligations" line. It's just a nonsense term.

    As we're seeing in Germany and elsewhere, these "obligations" are only such until the political expediency of the day dictates otherwise. Most of these supposedly inviolable "obligations" can be changed at the stroke of a legislative pen.

    We saw how quickly laws, rules and regulations can be changed (virtually overnight), bent, broken, or just ignored during Covid, and before that during the Financial crisis.

    Even in this scenario have we seen the planning laws made completely worthless as the Government (and wealthy - if not already then certainly very shortly - property owners) reclassify everything from hotels to factory sheds as "IPAS centres". Meanwhile a Tipperary pensioner is being handed a prison sentence for building a log cabin on his own land without bowing down to the council first.

    Like so much else in this fundamentally and increasingly broken country (I was going to add "of ours", but that's rapidly becoming no longer the case!), the laws only apply to and punish those who actually follow them and try to do things right. If you're a lowlife criminal or a connected, wealthy individual or political figure they can be set aside easily.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭tom23




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,766 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Again, it is not my opinion, she supported FF/FG, she is a teacher or was a teacher and is a landlord.

    I have no problem with any of that, but the trope thrown out when it comes to immigration is that the government are all teachers and landlords making a fortune out of it.

    Anyway, she was asked to explain herself in Tullamore the day after she supported FF/FG.

    Sinn Féin Cllr Aoife Masterson has called on so-called independent TD Carol Nolan to explain to the people of Offaly why one of her first acts after being re-elected to the Dáil was to vote in favour of Micheál Martin’s new cabinet.

    Cllr Masterson, a first-time candidate for the constituency in November’s General Election, said Deputy Nolan was elected on a clear platform of opposing the status quo yet has opted to vote for more of the same from Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael.

    Cllr Masterson said:

    “Carol Nolan was re-elected on a platform of opposing the status quo of Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael but one of her very first acts back in the Dáil chamber was to vote in favour of Micheál Martin’s new cabinet.

    “Deputy Nolan can’t have it both ways. Is she an independent opposition TD or not?

    “What promises, if any, were made to Deputy Nolan to vote in favour of this cabinet of chancers?

    “Her decision to do so comes on the back of her willingly propping up the grubby deal between Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael and the Michael Lowry independents that sought to have government-supporting TDs sitting in opposition with Deputy Nolan’s technical group, taking away speaking rights from genuine opposition TDs.

    “The people of Offaly deserve honesty from those they elect to represent them.

    “They also expect those elected on an independent platform to hold the Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael government to account.

    “It appears to me that Carol Nolan has turned her back on any pretence of being an independent opposition TD, and the people of Offaly deserve to know why.

    “Voting against Micheál Martin for Taoiseach, but then hours later voting in favour of his Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael cabinet, is cynical and tokenistic, and designed to mislead constituents in Offaly.”

    https://vote.sinnfein.ie/so-called-independent-carol-nolan-votes-to-put-fianna-fail-and-fine-gael-back-into-government-cllr-aoife-masterson/

    I don't think she did explain herself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    After Martin said the majority are economic migrants nobody could defend this farce



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭tom23




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭creeper1


    I'm glad these figures have finally admitted it's all a sham.

    It won't disappear overnight however.

    There's a whole industry grown up around this with MGOs, lawyer and hotel owners with their snouts in the trough



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,157 ✭✭✭jackboy


    The individuals making the big money have deep political connections. It will all come out down the road but it the meantime it's not simple for the politicians up to their necks in this to reverse things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,179 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Meanwhile Irish children are waiting years for dental treatment in the Public Health Service, imagine what those billions could do



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,849 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Like far right , looks like you finally admit it .



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It is astonishing the nonsense people get bogged down in to prove some sort of gotcha or mythical point.

    Carol Nolan is an independent TD. She is categorically not part of the government. There are 7 members of the rural independent group plus the Healy Raes who are now part of the government with FF/FG. That is it.

    Carol Nolan is entitled to vote any which way she likes as an independent TD. The only people she will have to answer to in time for any decisions she takes while a TD are the electorate next time around.

    All of this stuff around Carol Nolan is being brought up create some cloud around her and discredit her. I couldn't care less about Carol Nolan. I don't know her. She's not in my constituency. What I do know is that she is one of the only politicians in the past few years who articulated incredibly well how a huge majority of people feel about this immigration/population increase disaster. She is one of the very few who spoke sense on the topic.

    People get caught up in who they support - FG, FF, Carol Nolan or whoever. I couldn't care less about the lot of them once they do the right thing for the country and its future. Let's be clear, what has happened in the past 3/4 years regards immigration numbers has not been the right thing for this country. It has been absolutely disastrous in a countless number of ways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,766 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Carol Nolan is an independent TD. She is categorically not part of the government. There are 7 members of the rural independent group plus the Healy Raes who are now part of the government with FF/FG. That is it.

    That is the 3rd time you have tried to insert that strawman into the discussion.

    No one said she was part of the government.

    Carol Nolan is entitled to vote any which way she likes as an independent TD.

    I never said she didn't.

    I am perfectly entitled to ask what her motivations of doing so were.

    https://www.offalyindependent.ie/2024/04/10/new-government-is-a-recycled-status-quo-nolan/

    That is an incredible 180 by any definition.

    Personally I couldn't care about her either, it wasn't me who brought her up.

     The only people she will have to answer to in time for any decisions she takes while a TD are the electorate next time around.

    I disagree, although she is the literal definition of parish pump politician she votes at a national level.

    But I imagine you will be applying the same standard to anyone else on here that questions any politician going forward?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Jesus, you absolutely bore me. How many posts do you reckon you've posted on this topic in the past few years, while absolutely ignoring everything going on on the ground in this country right in front of your eyes?

    You would imagine than when Leo Varadkar came out only 6 months ago and said that the rate of immigration into Ireland is far too high, that would have been the end game for the utter circular nonsense posted by a handful of individuals on here.

    That should have been a point where everybody in this country thought 'Jaysus, even Leo has come out and said the horse has bolted from the stable and nobody bothered to close the door'.

    Honestly, I don't know why people can't just say that massive mistakes have been made at every level regards immigration here. Ukrainians - 100,000 plus is a ludicrou numbers into a country this size. IPA's and refugees - 20,000 per annum and every Tom,Dick and Harry in government is now openly saying that the vast majority are not genuine refugees but we all know these folks will never leave. Work Visas with huge numbers arriving here. College/language courses will huge numbers arriving here.

    It's a simple numbers game and it could not have been handled any worse by our elected officials in government. The population increase is comically beyond anything this country can handle over the past 3/4 years.

    You can continue holding up Darragh O'Brien as some sort of spokesperson for society when he challenged Nolan on immigration and housing. Best of luck with that course of action. This is a man who in the very same conversation with Nolan in that Dail openly lied about housing completion numbers, and continued to do so for the rest of 2024 obviously with FF/FG backing to keep that lie going. That is the horrendous calibre of person whose comments you are putting weight on.

    Mod - warned for uncivil post

    Post edited by Leg End Reject on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,766 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Any policy you have a problem with was introduced by either FF / FG or both.

    Whilst your ire is being directed at me, it was the likes of Nolan who supported their return to government. Not me. I didn't cast a vote for either party.

    But for some reason you think she is only accountable in 5 years time, but I am to blame now.

    That is at best inconsistent.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If this is the level of discourse, no wonder we are where we are a country.

    Not a single response to the numbers, or how they are way to high in recent years. Not a single response to a former Taoiseach 2 minutes out the door of office saying exactly this - the number regards immigration is simply way too high for the country to cope.

    Nope, something something Carol Nolan. Jesus, I'm absolutely bored by this level of commentary.



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