Deposit return scheme (recycling) - Part 2

At present, Ireland could not abandon any of PET, aluminium or glass in the drinks supply chain. The best outcome is for people to use bottle banks and the return machines. Some bottle banks have bins for aluminium cans.

I know nothing about whether glass is worse for the environment than aliminium. But it would astonish me if any effect either way is exponential. I would not take any advice on these pages as being valid, too much bias going on. Anyway it is too complex for me to pronounce a black and white answer.

https://www.greenmatch.co.uk/glass-vs-aluminium (March 2024).

The choice between glass and aluminium in terms of environmental sustainability is complex. It depends on several factors, including the material's life cycle, energy consumption in production and recycling, transportation costs, and the recycling rate.

The environmental impact of glass and aluminium as packaging materials is multifaceted, each with advantages and disadvantages. 

Seems pretty clear. Thanks for sharing the link.

The choice often depends on the context. For instance, aluminium cans are a more sustainable choice for beer packaging due to their lower carbon footprint in production and transportation. They also 

preserve the flavour and quality of beer better than glass bottles

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Over time.

If you have the sun baiting in on a bottle beer it won't be good for it long term.

Bottled beer is generally cheaper per liter than canned beer, usually also tastier and easier to dispose of. For example my bin collection company has a glass bin, any time it gets too full I'm not far away from a bottle bank.

I'm not trying to help the environment in my move away from canned beer but I will say that 100% of my bottles get recycled

Which bottled beer is cheaper per litre than it is in can form?

Most of the craft brewers beers would be cheaper in the 500ml bottles than they would be in cans. Rye River would be a good example of this

How do you know that?

Well, like yourself, I certainly don't trust the obvious so when I put them into the recycling bank I secretly stalk the bottle collection trucks that go to the recycling centres. Like every other normal person out there, right?

Only catch is I've to take my tinfoil hat off and put on something more camouflaged so there is a chance they are psychically beaming the image of recycling facilities into my head

Rye River do but they seem to sell 330ml cans. In fact you would struggle to find a 500ml can of any "craft".

As an example Rye River 4X330ml cans are usually €10 in tesco and their 500ml bottles are usually €3.50. Per L their cans work out at €7.58/L and their bottles are €7/L. Note - no deposit on the bottles so also a saving of time and energy.

So you don't know.

It's all you had to say.

I do know - and I am normal. NORMAL!!!

It does though because generally people accept that €7 is less than €7.58 so therefore the bottled beer is cheaper than the canned beer. But please, I am interested to hear your explanation to how that example doesn't support my claim so don't hold back on the details

Even if we put the tinfoil hats on for a minute and assume I'm "not crazy," and for arguments sake let's also assume the bottles and re-turn cans aren't recycled. I'm still returning 100% of my glass bottles the way they were intended while about 10% of my re-turn stuff was being rejected by the machine and wound up in the waste bin or sometimes on the ground beside the machines depending on where the others were

It does though because generally people accept that €7 is less than €7.58 so therefore the bottled beer is cheaper

That specific bottled beer because there is no 500 ml equivalent.

Your claim was the majority of all beer, which is false.

I'm still returning

Returning does not mean recycled. That has been pointed out to enough times at this stage.

But here you are.

That specific bottled beer because there is no 500 ml equivalent.

Your claim was the majority of all beer, which is false.

I never said "the majority of all beer" do try to pay attention. The majority of the beer that I drink is cheaper in a bottle than a can

Returning does not mean recycled.

What does it mean? What happens my glass bottles after they go in to the bottle bank or my bottle bin then? Please provide concrete proof of your accusation

Saying "prove all returned containers are not recycled" does not prove they are all recycled. Its disputed i.e. no-one knows for sure but you can bet if all containers being returned are being recycled (or anywhere close to it) we'd be hearing about it constantly.

Theres a reason it remains a mystery. Re-Turn want as many people as possible to conflate return with recycle and you have to give it to them. Theyve definitely managed that. Theyre up 54,000,000 euro of our money because of it.

In the context of my drinking habbits, I did

No, no you didn't. You might have thought it, but I can't respond to your thoughts.

What happens my glass bottles after they go in to the bottle bank or my bottle bin then?

It's not up to me to prove your claim.

That is up to you.

Your claim is

Returning does not mean recycled.

Are you willing to prove your claim. Mine is proven above. Feel free to counter my proof with your own

See below. You might feel more at home posting there

https://www.boards.ie/categories/conspiracy-theories?utm_source=community-search&utm_medium=organic-search&utm_term=conspiracy+theories

If you could point where it backs up your claim?

100% of my bottles get recycled