I know nothing about whether glass is worse for the environment than aliminium. But it would astonish me if any effect either way is exponential. I would not take any advice on these pages as being valid, too much bias going on. Anyway it is too complex for me to pronounce a black and white answer.
https://www.greenmatch.co.uk/glass-vs-aluminium (March 2024).
The choice between glass and aluminium in terms of environmental sustainability is complex. It depends on several factors, including the material's life cycle, energy consumption in production and recycling, transportation costs, and the recycling rate.
The environmental impact of glass and aluminium as packaging materials is multifaceted, each with advantages and disadvantages.
The deposit return scheme I used to use in another country many years ago was only for glass. They didn't melt down the glass, instead they washed, relabeled and refilled them.
But then that scheme was actually about doing something for the environment and was not about feathering the nests for a faceless group.
Seems pretty clear. Thanks for sharing the link.
The choice often depends on the context. For instance, aluminium cans are a more sustainable choice for beer packaging due to their lower carbon footprint in production and transportation. They also
preserve the flavour and quality of beer better than glass bottles
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They also preserve the flavour and quality of beer better than glass bottles
They also
I would disagree with that assertion.
Over time.
If you have the sun baiting in on a bottle beer it won't be good for it long term.
Here's me thinkin that bottles were invented to be recycling again and again.Thus,less environment impact.Alu and steel cans-use and fabricate again.You live and learn.
Bottled beer is generally cheaper per liter than canned beer, usually also tastier and easier to dispose of. For example my bin collection company has a glass bin, any time it gets too full I'm not far away from a bottle bank.
I'm not trying to help the environment in my move away from canned beer but I will say that 100% of my bottles get recycled
Bottled beer is generally cheaper per liter than canned beer,
Which bottled beer is cheaper per litre than it is in can form?
Are you saying changing to bottles has nothing to do with this scam and it was based on price for the switch?
100% of my bottles get recycled
How do you know that?
Most of the craft brewers beers would be cheaper in the 500ml bottles than they would be in cans. Rye River would be a good example of this
Well, like yourself, I certainly don't trust the obvious so when I put them into the recycling bank I secretly stalk the bottle collection trucks that go to the recycling centres. Like every other normal person out there, right?
Only catch is I've to take my tinfoil hat off and put on something more camouflaged so there is a chance they are psychically beaming the image of recycling facilities into my head
Most of the craft brews drink only sell in bottles and because the alcohol content would be higher it would be more expensive.
Rye River do but they seem to sell 330ml cans. In fact you would struggle to find a 500ml can of any "craft".
Bottle beer in general is more expensive than cans. Not the other way around as you claimed.
So you don't know.
It's all you had to say.
As an example Rye River 4X330ml cans are usually €10 in tesco and their 500ml bottles are usually €3.50. Per L their cans work out at €7.58/L and their bottles are €7/L. Note - no deposit on the bottles so also a saving of time and energy.
I do know - and I am normal. NORMAL!!!
I know. That example doesn't support your claim though.
Bottled beer is generally cheaper per liter than canned beer
I do know - and I am normal.
NORMAL!!!
Sure.
It does though because generally people accept that €7 is less than €7.58 so therefore the bottled beer is cheaper than the canned beer. But please, I am interested to hear your explanation to how that example doesn't support my claim so don't hold back on the details
Even if we put the tinfoil hats on for a minute and assume I'm "not crazy," and for arguments sake let's also assume the bottles and re-turn cans aren't recycled. I'm still returning 100% of my glass bottles the way they were intended while about 10% of my re-turn stuff was being rejected by the machine and wound up in the waste bin or sometimes on the ground beside the machines depending on where the others were
If it is not too much inconvenience use a bottle bank which also takes cans, the light blue bins. That keeps them segragated better than the domestic green bin. But there is the danger of contamination by people throwing the wrong material into them. I use a local blue one to dispose of out of scope empty cans which I pick up from time to time, or badly damaged in scope ones.
It does though because generally people accept that €7 is less than €7.58 so therefore the bottled beer is cheaper
That specific bottled beer because there is no 500 ml equivalent.
Your claim was the majority of all beer, which is false.
I'm still returning
Returning does not mean recycled. That has been pointed out to enough times at this stage.
But here you are.
Numbers on the actual scheme are thin on the ground.
How much we return to recycle that actually gets recycled is one big fat grey area.
A few months ago, a guy rang Liveline. He gets his recyclables collected. Just for the laugh, he put a GPS air pod into the bag and tracked it all the way from his house to the incinerator at Poolbeg.
They got a spokesperson on from Poolbeg and instead of denying it happened, he urged people not to do the same thing as it might damage the incinerator.
I'm all for green initiatives but I think a lot of what we do is green theatre.
I never said "the majority of all beer" do try to pay attention. The majority of the beer that I drink is cheaper in a bottle than a can
Returning does not mean recycled.
What does it mean? What happens my glass bottles after they go in to the bottle bank or my bottle bin then? Please provide concrete proof of your accusation
No you didn't.
Saying "prove all returned containers are not recycled" does not prove they are all recycled. Its disputed i.e. no-one knows for sure but you can bet if all containers being returned are being recycled (or anywhere close to it) we'd be hearing about it constantly.
Theres a reason it remains a mystery. Re-Turn want as many people as possible to conflate return with recycle and you have to give it to them. Theyve definitely managed that. Theyre up 54,000,000 euro of our money because of it.
In the context of my drinking habbits, I did
No, no you didn't. You might have thought it, but I can't respond to your thoughts.
What happens my glass bottles after they go in to the bottle bank or my bottle bin then?
It's not up to me to prove your claim.
That is up to you.
Below you will see proof of recycling. If you wish to provide alternative proof please do so. Otherwise stop trying to spread misinformation
Re-turn home page
Home page of glassbottlebin.ie
Front page of glassco.ie
Your claim is
Are you willing to prove your claim. Mine is proven above. Feel free to counter my proof with your own
The Return website is spreading misinformation. It conflates targets for collection with targets with recycling, so any claims it makes about items being recycled versus collected are not reliable.
It is not a reliable source. Anybody quoting it without scrutiny is likely to be spreading misinformation.
See below. You might feel more at home posting there
https://www.boards.ie/categories/conspiracy-theories?utm_source=community-search&utm_medium=organic-search&utm_term=conspiracy+theories
The poster provided 3 separate sources.
The level of pedantry on here is actually mad.
If you could point where it backs up your claim?
Have you any proof to your claim?
I'm sure you don't and I can imagine it's quite embarrassing for you the more you get asked
I posted specifically to do with Re-Turn. Nothing to do with glass so the rest is not relevant to my post.
I got a false heading from the Re-Turn.ie homepage that has been debunked several times on this thread. The EU legislation has been posted here. Its for return targets but on Re-Turn.ie they say Recycle. It's BS.
The poor level of "sources" on here is actually mad
Again, no one is obliged to backup your claim.
You can't, because it is nonsense just like your claim about bottled beer.
You are making a holy show of yourself, so just move on, for everyone's sake, especially your own.
