Draft Clonsilla Framework Plan?

The residents will always say No, even when it means depriving themselves of something good. Those in support are demonised.

I feel that the radical items in the draft plan were proposed by consultants without "that'll never happen/never work" restrictions. Such ideas are good starting points. (The DART, Luas and Dublin Bikes were all predicted to fail; I'm sure the pedestrianisation of Grafton Street was opposed too)

The ideas are trying to solve existing problems. If those making a submission don't like the ideas I really hope they offer other solutions to solve the problems.

With respect to the cycle lane, I'm sick of fearing for my life when I go to Lidl or the graveyard. I should not have to cycle an extra 1km each way (almost doubling the distance) to go via Ongar Road and the Clonsilla Link Road.

Exactly this.

Too often the path of most resistance is chosen for such access battles. It's like the intent is to create a stalemate or argument.

I just don't get why with green fields either side you'd go through an established housing estate. There's recent development in this area that could have had stipulations for future access. Instead of coming back to it after you've waited for new development to be completed that conflicts with future plans.

If it's a mess then the planners created it.

Was the same in the past. All those alley ways that were open in my youth are mostly all closed.

Having said that I'm still on board with making things walkable within reason..

Those routes as you call them, are part of the original design. It hasn't changed since they built it. They haven't added new access to anything. Also open to cars is a completely different conversation.

Of course you would, but then you can't complain afterwards that there isn't a focal point for a village centre.

The design has the flaws you identify, but the flaw in rejecting it is that you will never get a Clonsilla Village Centre without it.

Still and all, why take the risk. Leave well enough alone.

 but the flaw in rejecting it is that you will never get a Clonsilla Village Centre without it.

Only if you take the proposal as a single, unalterable package than can be either approved or rejected. There is plenty in there that could be kept and could make concrete improvements to Clonsilla without triggering mass objections from residents.

Unfortunately, what has happened now is that the original plan was so bonkers that the overwhelming majority of submissions are against it, so it will have to go back to the drawing board in a big way.