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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,866 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Sharks beating the Bulls by 10 points with 10 minutes remaining. Would be a huge result for Leinster if they win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    SHarks 29-17 ahead v bulls now. Last few minutes. Big boost for Leinster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭scott1974


    29-12 now, not even a LBP....

    They must have scored as I posted that..29-19..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Would like to see Frawley at 12 with Osborne at 13. They've both played well together in the past. He just isn't a 10, and it's doing him a mischief to keep putting him there. Getting the Paddy Wallace run around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,866 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Sharks win 19-29.

    Leinster are 17 points ahead ahead of the Bulls in third place, albeit they have a game in hand. If we beat Cardiff in two weeks time there's no way Bulls can overtake us even if we lose both games on the South Africa tour.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,900 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Big result for Leinster, gives us a lot more leeway in South Africa alright. I still hope they take the tour more seriously than they have done in the past, but we can actually afford to get zero from it now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,866 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Deegan has been named captain for Ireland A. Harry Byrne is in the squad too. It's probably the end of the road for him at Leinster but he's good enough to play for a province if he wants to.

    Really hope Tommy O'Brien doesn't pick up an injury before this one. He's good enough to get into the senior squad if he remains fit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,866 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Diarmuid Mangan named in the Ireland senior squad is a big surprise. He's played well this season as a lock/blindside hybrid and has taken part in bigger games than I'd expected him to. Was really good against Connacht before Christmas.

    I guess he's in there as a training panelist so the coaches can get a better look at him. Hopefully he impresses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    There is 69 players selected across two teams for this week.

    Henderson is injured
    Mccarthy is just back from injury

    They need bodies to train, to do lineout and scrum practice. With Doris out Conan is likely to start at 8 so Baird is possibly backrow cover on the bench

    So they need 4 fit locks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,928 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    Seems much more like this yeah.

    Good for Mangan as it can only be a good thing for him.

    But if they were naming "development players" like they did at the start of the campaign I imagine the asterisk would be beside his name.

    Wasn't in contention for the A panel and the seniors needed bodies for training.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,900 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Which is a stupidly large number of players. Seems a bizarre scattergun approach this week really after a fairly tight squad for the first 2 games.

    More noticeable who isn't there such as Connors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭Serbian


    It’s roughly 43% of all Irish eligible players called into either the A or full squad. I think a bunch of the lads in the full squad are in there just to hold the tackle bags as I’m guessing some of the players in the full squad will play in the A game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    SNyman carrying jordie Barrett to the pitch 😀

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 642 ✭✭✭jonok28


    A number of people saying that Frawley isn't a 10. If he isn't a 10 what is he? Full Back? Centre?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,900 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,121 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    HHe's Probably in the role of utility back now. 10/12/15. But not preferred choice at any of those positions. Handy to have around because he can do the job but never the first choice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Leisnter officially classify him as a fly half and a full back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,928 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    He has a versatile enough skillset and a large enough body of work for people to make a valid case based on evidence they choose to weight more over others.

    Personally I think his best position is 12. I think J Barrett is a person Frawley should be looking to copy. Yes he gives up a few kgs and a few cms on Barrett.

    But Barrett has made a remarkably successful career out of being versatile but doing his primary job well enough that the versatility on the pitch is icing on the cake rather than sacrificing core aspects of the role to get those versatile elements (goal kicking, fielding the ball, play making etc)

    Given his 6'3" frame I don't see any reason he can't and wont get to ~98-100kgs. Henshaw is a similar height and has been carrying in and around that the majority of his career.

    Frawley is more physical than he is given credit for, but lacks the physicality to be a top, top level 12 at present.

    If he nails down the fundamentals of a 12, then the ball handling skills, the kicking game, the distributing vision all add to it and make him a serious contender there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 642 ✭✭✭jonok28


    I agree with everything you said but Frawley knows the big bucks are to be made at fly half and having tasted success against the Springboks and for a split second being considered a viable starting option at fly half for Ireland, I struggle to see him being satisfied with playing the utility role unless Leinster make it very clear that he is a massive part of their future and will get ample minutes at 10. Otherwise Ulster could use him, Connacht could use him and Munster would love to have him back up Crowley.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,928 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    I don't suggest he plays the utility role though.

    I suggest he nails down the 12 role and the versatility that he brings adds to it.

    Barrett spent the first few years of his career flitting around the backline until he found his groove at 12. Frawley is only 7 months younger than him amazingly but I think there is scope there.

    His biggest issue with this plan comes in the shape of Jamie Osborne who offers a lot of what Frawley does but bags more physicality.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 636 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    he’s just off form which drives a narrative , likely due to repeated questionable performances and the loss of confidence that goes with that. But every player goes through that, Crowley just out of a bout which has cost him, but these events are ones which can be used as a springboard to reach the next level. Sexton and all the greats, O’Driscoll & O’Connell included, have spoken of these period. What defines and distinguishes the exceptional from the great is how they react to it . Let us see time will reveal all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,129 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    I expect Frawley to leave Leinster this summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    There is rumours of Ross going to France and Munster apparently see Harry as an option to replace Burns. Guess a lot depends on the Byrne brothers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    As it stands, only one of Ross, Harry or Frawley will realistically leave this Summer (and I can't see it being Frawley).

    We need three capable and senior out-half options so you can almost guarantee that if one leaves, the other two will stay (barring some jewel being unearthed between now and year-end).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 642 ✭✭✭jonok28


    There is a lot of players after that 12 jersey too. Henshaw, Osborne, Tector along with Barrett have have really strong performances in the 12 shirt. I think he remains with Leinster as a 10. I think Ross ends up leaving and Sam, Harry and Frawley are the 3 fly halves next season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Ross Byrne off to Gloucester next season



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,866 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    There's a good chance that both Byrne's will leave Leinster in the summer and potentially Frawley as well. We'd go from a position of strength to having only one recognised senior 10 in the squad. And he's still a rookie too.

    Would be a bit disappointed if Ross and Harry were to leave Ireland entirely. They'd walk into a starting jersey for Ulster and Connacht.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 314 ✭✭darkened_scrum


    Harry seems to be going well at Bristol. If Ross leaves he'd get a lot more game time next season.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    Surely the IRFU will be sending Harry to another province? Be criminal to let both of them go abroad.

    Sad to see Ross go personally. Criminally underrated. He's obviously not elite but he's about as good a back up you're likely to find. Hope he got a serious payday out of Gloucester.



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