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Handwriting decipher thread *must post link to full page*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭p15574


    I had an email from a distant DNA match in the States enquiring about their ancestor who had emigrated from, say said, Laois. His naturalisation is attached, and indeed it seems that he's from "Queens county". However, I can't make out the town (or village) name - looks something like "Shasbury" (which obviously doesn't exist). They have no Irish info on him so I was hoping to maybe find a christening entry, if I can nail down the town. Can anyone read it?

    I did run it through ChatGPT but it thinks it says "Athenry, Galway" which is obviously wrong.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,590 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Can you provide a source from the naturalization document or a better quality image of it?

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,590 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Found it.

    For those with an Ancestry subscription it's in New Hampshire, U.S., State and Federal Naturalization Records, 1832-1995.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭p15574


    Sorry, I only had the email attachment, not the source



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,590 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    To be honest the image at Ancestry isn't much better - it still looks like Shasbury.

    Looking at the list of Laois townlands on Wikipedia (townlands.ie is currently down) I wonder was it a mis-spelling or mishearing of Shanbally, Shanderry, Shanvally, Stradbally or something similar.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,370 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    The late seanruad's search is great if you are sure about a couple of letters in townland names, though I wasn't getting anything obvious. We also have to allow if he left early 1800s the placename is probably different from today's version.

    https://thecore.com/seanruad/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭kildarejohn


    Looking at the list of Laois townlands on Wikipedia (townlands.ie is currently down) I wonder was it a mis-spelling or mishearing of Shanbally, Shanderry, Shanvally, Stradbally or something similar.

    To me it looks like Stradbury, which would obviously be a mis-writing of Stradbally



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭p15574


    I'm thinking maybe Stradbally myself, maybe as interpreted by an American listening to a Laoisman with a heavy accent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭chewed


    hi all, I just wanted to get confirmation that this surname is "O'Connell"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭doctorwho-fan


    Looks like O'Connell, have you checked the 1911 Census to confirm?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭chewed


    Yeah, just finding it difficult to track down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭chewed


    I'm guessing that the Father's first name is Denis (underlined



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭mrslancaster



    Could this be Richard’s family? Census in 1901 at house 3 in Kilbarry (Saint Mary's, Cork)

    Also there’s a Mary O’Connell next door at house 4 in Kilbarry; father is Patrick (not Denis) but he is a Railway Porter.

    Richard (railway clerk born cork) & wife Mary (born limerick) in 1911 Residents of a house 9 in Orchard Terrace (Arran Quay, Dublin), first son’s name was John Denis

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭chewed


    Thanks for that. That's definitely helped me! :-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭VicWynne


    Hi folks,

    Looking for some expert eyes - I can't quite make out the C.O.D. of Eliza M Hamilton (top of page, No 104).

    Any and all help appreciated.

    Thanks a million



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Not cod, maybe the next bit is 3 hours exhaustion 6 days certified?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 ambros1a


    Could it be something like difficulty of circulation? I note that she is young (33 yo). So I checked births for 1898 in Limerick and an Elizabeth Mary was born to Elizabeth and Michael Hamilton on 8th October 1898.

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02056/1786687.pdf

    If this is their daughter then this is a week before Elizabeth's death on October 15th. So now I'm thinking that C.O.D. is pregnancy-related. I've been racking my brains for pregnancy-related medical terms that would fit and can't think of anything so far. Apologies…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭VicWynne


    Thanks @mrslancaster I'm seeing that too. @ambros1a great minds - that's the daughter and I do think it's most likely related, but I'm also at a loss to what the text says - difficulties of/deficiencies of - though maybe what I see an 'of' is just a flourish of the pen…. circulation is a good one - plausible.

    This was child number 6 (that I know of, but given when they married (1887), and he spacing of the births (1888, 1889, 1890, 1894, 1896 and 1898) thee could be another couple I haven't found.

    It's definitely a puzzle :)

    Thanks a million for your eyes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    Difficult

    Parturition?

    3hours.

    Exhaustion

    6 days



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,370 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭VicWynne


    Bang on @chooseusername Thank you. That's it.

    I knew the collective eyes would sort me out. Thanks a million folks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭HorseSea


    Just starting on a family tree and met my first handwriting issue.

    Any ideas of the address for Sarah Jordan, second entry down on this page:

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10750/5920199.pdf

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,281 ✭✭✭gipi


    Looks like 4 McGowans Terrace, Ranelagh

    https://www.swilson.info/wp/?p=547



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭HorseSea


    Brilliant thank you. Sarah would be my great grandmother, her daughter came back to live in Ranelagh in the 40's and the family is still here, and I never knew she was originally from Ranelagh. I didn't recognise "McGowans" as it is no more, but those shops are still there, Gordons, is now a Spar.

    Thanks again, I am sure I will be back, trying to locate them on the census next.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 250 ✭✭ath262


    The terrace was renamed, still exists as part of Ranelagh, the section from the Triangle to the Railway/Luas bridge. All the houses now have the ground floor extended and converted to shops. There's also a Manders Terrace to the other side of the railway with larger houses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭HorseSea


    Back again, 3rd last entry on this page for Owens. Trying to make out the address, it's entered twice. I can see Camden Street and I have an address from elsewhere of 16 Old Camden Street, but that does not seem to be what's here. Any ideas. Could it be 9 Upper Camden Street?

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1917/01305/1539792.pdf

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    TIA



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    There’s a Henry Owens, book finisher, listed here at 9 Upper Camden Street

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,590 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Yep, it's definitely Upper Camden Street.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭HorseSea


    WOW! Absolutely brilliant, thanks for the link. Can I ask how you found that, I have been googling and searching for Henry Owens (his son was also Henry Owens) in various ways and never stumbled on that - so interesting. And the address I found previous was 16 Old Camden Street, so Upper Camden Street is another to add to the few addresses I have already. Thanks again.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,370 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Small discussion here of Old Camden Street, which may be of interest: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/99286211/#Comment_99286211



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