Handwriting decipher thread *must post link to full page*

spurious

I think it's privatum - a private baptism, not in the church.

Could it have been done by someone present at the birth? Maybe the child was sickly?

55Gem

I think private could well be correct, the one above has the same word and established conditional or similar, both baptised the same day by the same priest, both Rotunda and both missing the second last column entry.

Perhaps born in the Rotunda hospital and both sickly.

Hermy

The child only survived for 19 days so I think your suggestions of a baptism possibly taking place in the hospital is spot on, thanks.

pinkypinky

I agree: privatum

BowWow

I would say "proatim" meaning "in advance" - basically saying it's being done just in case or provisionally.

Latin for "private" is "privatus".

Yeah Right

It gives examples at the top/header of that column:

Circumstantiæ ex Rit. Rom. apponendæ, e. g. si fuerit adultus, recens conversus, sub conditione vel privatim Baptisatus, expositus, etc.

which means

Circumstances of the rite, for example, if an adult, recent convert, previously baptized privately, etcetera

Link explaining the headers

Hermy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122605938#Comment_122605938

That's what it looks like to me.

55Gem

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122605171#Comment_122605171

The girl above Mary Catherine Murphy, Margaret Mary Timmins also sadly died on the 25th June

Registered as Unknown Timmins bottom of the page, the last in a list of five babies from the Rotunda Hospital on that one page.

Hermy

I wonder can anyone tell me what the address is for James Kirwan, the last entry on the page?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1943/08789/5177130.pdf

ath262

Looks like 57 Coopair/Conyair Green Fairview, never heard of it

ath262

I see there was/is a Croydon Green in Fairview/Marino, might be a better fit

55Gem

Tried exact phrase Green, Fairview in the Newspapers from 1940 to 1950 and there was a

Croydon Green

chooseusername

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122635988#Comment_122635988

Yes, on the 1945 map here;

marino.jpg

Hermy

Good spot - thanks all.

55Gem

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122635727#Comment_122635727

Sorry ath262 I’m only seeing this post now. Don’t know how I missed it earlier.

Jellybaby_1

I think it might be Croydon Green. I checked it on this list

https://geographic.org/streetview/ireland/leinster/dublin.html

and when I clicked on it I found

https://geographic.org/streetview/view.php?place=Croydon%20Green,%20Dublin,%20Leinster,%20Republic%20of%20Ireland

Maybe its the one.

Ooops, ye already got it. I didn't see the previous posts.

Mick Tator

It's an interesting place and development, one of the first of the new State, re-housing the 'better class' of tradesman from the inner city. The houses there cost just over £400 (memory?) and loans were provided. Heavy German influence on the building, (too soon after Indep. to use the Brits!) and there is quite a bit online about the development -'Croydon Park'.

Edit link https://marino.ie/history/

ollaetta

Here's a link to Thoms Directory 1943 showing Croydon Green:

https://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/thoms_viewer/thoms_show2.php?id=047987

The entry for No. 45 is not James Kirwan but he could very possibly have been lodging there.

louis346789

Need help please with cause of death Mary Mullin entry no 221.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1879/06530/4881596.pdf

Hermy

Pyaemia after compd (compound?) fracture of femur.

Pyaemia is a type of sepsis according to Dr Google.

louis346789

Hi Hermy

Thank you. This concurs with the story of her death. She was my GGM. Accident with old type farm the threshing machine.

Waitsian

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1940/08834/5194300.pdf

Number 98, the occupation of the groom's father. I can't make head nor tail of it tbh. Is it an acronym?

doctorwho-fan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122680492#Comment_122680492

All i can say is OMG!!! the first part looks like a combination of 4 letters?? sorry can't help

crossman47

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122680508#Comment_122680508

The second part, I presume, are his initials

Hermy

Would it ever be R I C but the R began life as the Fa of Farmer, as per similar to the bride's fathers occupation?

pinkypinky

Try looking him up in street directories maybe?

I've never seen the like!

spurious

I will check RIC records.

**edit

Nothing obviously RIC.

55Gem

Do you know anything more about John the groom.

I was searching the newspapers for his father, had no luck but think I found the younger John’s death in 1985 which mention a brother Michael Joe. Kathleen d. 1991.

A Michael Joe and wife Margaret ( Dwyer) popped up a few times in nearby Knockadrehid, married 1936, his father John a farmer.

1911 the two boys are there with mother Helena (Brady), all born Roscommon, so looked for Michael’s birth (1900 Castlerea), father foreman tailor. (John 1904)

1901

http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Castlereagh/New_Line/1664505/

None of which helps in the slightest with that occupation

BowWow

The bit on the right looks like the initials "JC", as if the writer was initialling a change as one might do on a contract.

As for the bit on the left - maybe started to write "Farmer", but stopped as the father was deceased and stopped writing, initialled the stop… basically just a guess on my part…

Waitsian

Thanks all, much appreciated. I'll do a bit of digging with the advice offered and see what I come up with.