The decline of FG?

They got all the floating vote,the protest vote and some FF vote in 2011

None of that was a Fine Gael vote

Before there was choice,they always got the floating vote except maybe in the 2000’s when it went to FF

I’m laughing because there’s only 2 reasons why people go on with the decline nonsense

One is to needle the 2 or 3 Fine Gael friendly posters here and second is to paint fake news

What’s funny is neither the attempted needling or the fake news will give posters here what they seem to (irrationally imho) want and that is the demise of the centre vote(never going to happen ,sorry) and their own favourite party in government

It’s really as simple as that

Stop using the wrong terms then.

As I said,when you need to get pedantic rather than discuss the message,your sack is empty

The centre vote has not collapsed and imho never will

There was always a ‘working class’ FF vote that (mostly) never came back to them as it had other options after 2016
Any probably tiny ‘working class’ Fine Gael vote was never in a natural home there and has moved to the various new options,which for 10’s of decades SF were actively not trying to be with their cracky pot policies

Of course the elephant in the room here(for the needler’s) is Fine Gael ended up with more T.D’s than in 2020 despite doom predictions with over half its incumbents gone

Quite an achievement

Where did it get them ? Mostly local councils,a party’s bedrock

Given the state of SF’s council representation versus Fine Gael’s countrywide I can understand the angst driving the SF supporters here

Unfortunately ,in terms of goal achieving for a party,it doesn’t butter any bread

I do wish ye the best of luck though,it doesn’t look easy does it

The latest data point spans a 5 year period and to drop 21% FPV in that time is very significant; Especially when you consider FG have gained votes and FF broadly held their numbers.

The trend that defines the electorate 3 months ago is much more relevant than a trend from the 80s.

You are just setting arbitrary points that insulate you.
You need to research what a 'trend' is in political terms.

A trend has many components.

Let's see come the next GE whether the aggregated trend from your graph was a better predictor of the 2029 GE than the latest 2 data points alone.

Helen McEntee has said live on RTE News at one, that there is no investigation into the incident with the young lady

FG have serious questions here as to what has went on

I don't think you understood the difference between the two statements.

(1) There is a disciplinary procedure (not an investigation) underway within FG in relation to Senator Conway. This relates primarily to the incident in January but will take into account the outcomes of previously closed investigations and disciplinary procedures in relation to Senator Conway.

(2) In saying that there is no investigation into the incident with the young lady (where was it reported she was young, by the way, that is a detail not in the reports), Helen McEntee is correct, as the disciplinary procedure (not an investigation) is as set out above.

(3) The woman involved in the 2018 incident considers it closed and does not want the issue reopened in case she is identified. In refusing to accept the woman's wishes, Sinn Fein are, once again, showing complete disregard for the wishes of victims. They have done so repeatedly in dozens of known cases.

Yes, it must be great to have your objective viewpoint Francie.

It is strange the way that some choose not to see the 20% decline in the Sinn Fein vote. I will now run with your decline in FG since 2016 (and forget about the bottoming out) and contrast with the view of the SF decline since 2020.

I have had a look at the figures again, in 2016 Fine Gael got 544,140 votes, by 2024 this has fallen to 458,134, a decline of 86,006 in 9 years, at a rate of 10,751 per year.

Sinn Fein, without having got anywhere near government, got 535,595 votes in 2020, falling to 418,627 by 2024, a decline of 116,968 at a rate of 29,242 per year.

The Sinn Fein decline is running at nearly three times the rate of the Fine Gael decline. That is only going one way and requires you to suspend belief in the Fine Gael vote bottoming out.

Interesting that MLMD will complain to the CC when MM says she is telling stories, yet she regularly accuses him and others in the Dail about lying. Run with the hares and hunt with the hounds as per usual with Sinn Fein.

458,135

https://www.carlow-nationalist.ie/news/national-news/claim-that-40000-homes-would-be-built-in-2024-an-election-ploy-says-mcdonald_arid-46840.html

Read all about it. She called it "election lies", but she made the accusation repeatedly and at length.

You were at it yourself on this thread.

That is only the most recent example.

Go back and watch it in the Dail, she uses the word.

Not the first time either.