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A5 - Derry Dual Carraigeway

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  • #632
    Redsoxfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,558 ✭✭✭Redsoxfan


    Charlatans

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7045p9zrp5o



  • #633
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Would be nice to have Irish judges this side of the border clear their schedules when confronted by vexatious litigants who want a bus stop moved.



  • #634
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,017 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Reading the RTE news article it would seem that the landowners group are using whatever legal argument that best suits their personal objectives, without necessarily being strong supporters of that Climate Act. I hope they are hung out to dry for costs when all this is concluded.



  • #635
    Redsoxfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,558 ✭✭✭Redsoxfan


    Hearing on March. Enough is Enough are being allowed to be heard.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2024/1129/1483771-a5/



  • #636
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,255 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122902059#Comment_122902059

    Thats whats happened up to now, and they've sadly been extremely successful at it. And managing not to get hit with costs.



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  • #637
    sob1467
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭sob1467


    Saw this https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2025-02-07/fears-for-tyrone-family-business-as-a5-built-on-farm-land ITV segment about the Tyrone farmer worried about the A5 going through his land. Look, no one wants to see people lose farmland or businesses, but let’s be real—over 50 people have died on this road since 2006. How many more need to die before this upgrade happens?

    The comments on Facebook sum it up—this isn’t just about a few acres of land, it’s about saving lives. Yet some people are acting like their land is more important than fixing one of the most dangerous roads in the country.

    And let’s be honest, there’s always been a strong element of those objecting you are strongly of the view to "give nothing to the northwest of the North and even less to those travelling onwards to the South" when it comes to infrastructure, due to their strong political beliefs.

    If this was anywhere else, it would have been built years ago. The longer this gets dragged out, the more people will die. Simple as that.



  • #638
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,364 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    WHy do they not just do CPOs?

    Take the land now, it's been dragging on for too long.

    The farmers will be compensated.



  • #639
    timmyntc
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123154489#Comment_123154489

    Cant CPO if the project hasn't gotten planning or was struck down in court. AAA have been fighting it in court each time to stall and stop the project so that land won't be taken at all



  • #640
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,045 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    This has really dragged on. What are their alternative proposals- online upgrades and widening of the existing road?



  • #641
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,322 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123155824#Comment_123155824

    Town bypasses and passing lanes / 2+1 on the existing corridor. They did have a website but it appears to be long gone, but that's what they proposed in their previous objection.

    Effectively sub-par bollox that would not solve any issues and need to be replaced.



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  • #642
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,364 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I wonder do other countries allow such hold ups?



  • #643
    L1011
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123155883#Comment_123155883

    Anywhere with a common law legal system runs the risk of this.



  • #644
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,255 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Look to the M28 Steering Group. They eventually got defeated and that motorway is starting soon, but the A5 AAA have been much more "successful" in their battles.



  • #645
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,209 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Different jurisdictions with different laws and appeals mechanisms though.



  • #646
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,322 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123167605#Comment_123167605

    Legal system similar enough that court cases can even swap jurisdictions occasionally (very, very occasionally - almost ungoogleable but here's one). The common law elements are the same, basically.



  • #647
    cargo
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    And another fatality on the stretch. According to the article the 56th since 2006

    https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2025/0526/1515055-a5-tyrone/

    RIP




  • #648
    riddlinrussell
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    https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2025/0623/1519812-a5-high-court/

    Looks like a decision is due on the A5 today.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/ckg58jggz6mt

    Big enough news there's a BBC live thread on it!

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  • #649
    bradster
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    What is going to happen now with this road? I can't believe the judge turned this down



  • #650
    sonnyblack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 252 ✭✭sonnyblack


    The judge has ruled against it. Good God

    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/ckg58jggz6mt



  • #651
    timmyntc
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    Insane. Hard to see how anything can get built now in the era of carbon budgets and climate targets.

    It is a critical piece of safety related infrastructure, are we now to expect no infrastructure of any sort can be built if it doesn't meet climate change targets?



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  • #652
    aigne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 ✭aigne


    Ridiculously and needlessly expensive and over-prescriptive climate legislation if this is its interpretation.



  • #653
    NIMAN
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    That's that done and dusted.

    Had it been in the Belfast region, it would have been built years ago.



  • #654
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,712 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I think the Irish government should reassign the funding to a project here at this point. Absolutely hopeless.

    Even the judge says his decision would lead to more deaths but climate change laws taken precedent.



  • #655
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,791 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    The judge is correct here. The judge has to follow the law.

    It's the clowns who put that law in place (same as the one down south) that should be the focus of the ire. Complete and utter virtue signalling to think that Northern Ireland can make any meaningful impact to carbon emissions reduction at a global level, the only level that matters.



  • #656
    riddlinrussell
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    Put the money into planning the reopening of the Portadown to Derry line as a modern, high quality rail route and funding critical safety upgrades to the existing road ASAP.

    Re-doing the proposal to meet the legislation will take another decade.

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  • #657
    scrabtom
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123572449#Comment_123572449

    I find it to be an immoral position to believe that we do not have an obligation to the world just because we are a very small part of it.

    Regardless of that, it seems like more of a cock up from whoever neglected to put it in to the Northern Irish carbon budget.



  • #658
    grayzer75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭grayzer75


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123572428#Comment_123572428

    An upgrade of the N2 from Colon to Ashbourne would be a good start.



  • #659
    loyatemu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,093 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123572449#Comment_123572449

    It's because the UK and Ireland are signed up to various international climate treaties, and these targets are enshrined into domestic law. The logical conclusion of your argument is that climate change is a sham and nobody needs to do anything - if you don't actually believe that, then we still have to contribute regardless of how small our impact overall is. Every economic sector says it's the other sectors that should be targeted…

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  • #660
    timmyntc
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123572488#Comment_123572488

    That would take so much longer to even make it to planning, and would 100% be subject to legal challenges from the same landowners on that corridor.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123572428#Comment_123572428

    the money is pledged, not assigned. We do not have funding constraints for projects in the south, only resource and political issues.

    What is likely to happen is A5 proposal will be updated with info on the climate act since currently it seems it has none. Whether it meets climate act criteria or not, or can get a derogation remains to be seen.

    Does NI climate act allow for projects to go ahead even if they increase net emissions? If not then this fallout will cause the act to be rewritten



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  • #661
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,791 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123572544#Comment_123572544

    Climate change is not a sham, it's a very real challenge to the world to solve. However, balance is required and proper governing should not be hostage to climate targets. Emissions have continued to rise since the last global agreements in 2015 and the attempts to curb emissions have been, at best, laughable.

    Cancelling the A5 is not going to have a meaningful impact on global emissions. It is going to have a meaningful impact on the families whose loved ones are going to be killed on the A5 in the coming years.



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