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FI Charts ( T120+ onwards) Winter 2024/2025 **READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    While the chances of much colder weather late this weekend into early next week are approximately low at around 15-20% based on the 12z runs, the 18z ECM does show a notable shift from the 12z. There is quite a significant intensification of the blocking to our north near Iceland, which serves to inhibit the northward progression of the Atlantic depression. The latter has been the spoiler in preventing the eastward progression of cold air from the continent. Let's see if there is any further development overnight.

    18z top compared to 12z bottom

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    The JMA 18z does likewise as does the much-aligned (deservedly so in the main) CFS, which gives us a short 3-4 blast of easterlies

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,345 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Utterly depressing outlook this morning from MT - wet, wet, wet….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭esposito


    I respect MT but I try not to read his outlooks as they usually depress me. I prefer to view the models without knowing what he is predicting. Acknowledge he is very good though.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    His predictions for the last third of February look correct, we could be in for a fairly active Atlantic final 12 days of the month, as bad as that sounds at least it won't be as bad as the current setup of cold rain and endless dark skies for days on end. At least we should finally see some brighter skies again in-between the rain and it will feel milder for sure. I would rather have the mild come back at this stage since it's unlikely we'll be seeing any snow for the rest of February.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭pureza


    1.An active Atlantic is not favoured by a less cold North America feeding into it

    2. At worst we are the front line of the Atlantic if that Scandy/Northern Europe block holds

    Let’s see what transpires



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,239 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    +216 , the difference is ludicrous, the ECM isn’t too bad in fact. Look between Ireland and Iceland LOL

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    just looking at this mornings model runs and there seems to be cross model agreement towards a return to milder and much more unsettled weather beginning on Friday and for the rest of February with the GFS, ECM and GEM, barely any support left for cold.

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    We need a quick miracle and several masses to flip this around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,345 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Its actually been pretty dry and sunny round these parts the last few days…. Duller today by still dry for now.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Certainly not been dry here in Meath, it rained from start to finish without any letup yesterday and cold drizzle all day today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 246 ✭✭Ros4Sam24


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    😐 ahhhh



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭almostthere12


    After a lot of bad runs a good one has come along and from the ecm no less! It finally gets the low to slide and a wedge builds west of us allowing cold air in……..this has been a strange chase!!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,239 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    chase number …… I’ve lost count .. is on

    I’m in anyway right up to the equinox!

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    I didn’t think the 0z ECM was that bad when I saw it this morning



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    Would that not just be the same conditions we have at the moment? Cold wind, dull and overcast with a wintry drizzle or light rain from the east?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭almostthere12


    This looks like it could bring in deep cold, at the moment we are getting an easterly wind but not with the cold pool in Europe to back it up, that changes over the weekend when serious cold builds up there. First thing was to get the low to slide and then a wedge of heights to block the Atlantic again and let the colder air in which should mean any precipitation would be of snow this time.

    All that said I do think this is going to be an outlier on the ensembles but it gives some hope, and maybe the mjo going into phase 7 will help and the ecm is picking up on this.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,631 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Whatever about the chance of Cold out in FI ( which gets further pushed back all the time ) a more active Atlantic raising its head again. Caught on the boundary between blocking high to our East meandering over Europe and deep low pressures over the Atlantic possibly putting us in the squeeze with tight isobars between the two airmasses producing strong winds at times. Models showing a wet outlook. A mix of milder ( towards the W and SW )and cool days possibly later towards the end of the run. ECM cooler out in FI but the others looking mainly less cold with mixed weather.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭almostthere12


    Trying to figure out if that lovely ecm run was an outlier 🤣

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 246 ✭✭Ros4Sam24




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Getting back to reality and the fact that things will soon turn much milder and more unsettled, deluge season could be making an unwanted comeback if the last couple of runs are to be believed, especially for southern and south-western coastal counties, some really big rainfall totals showing up over the next 7 to 10 days.

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    Temperatures by day back into double digits from Friday and all through next week with spells of rain and heavy showers most if not all days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,966 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    It doesn't work this way with weather, but I'm ok with deluges from mid February to late March if we got more prolonged dry warm spells from April to September\October.

    'Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio? A nation turns It's lonely eyes to you.'



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    18z has rolled out, we have lost basically every cold outlier with over 90% of the members going mild or very mild for what's left of this winter. If this verifies that's winter over and done with.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    In the end, a bitterly cold easterly setup is now highly unlikely to reach our shores after what has seemed like a marathon period of watching and waiting for an anticipated mid-February cold spell.


    What had looked like a Polar Vortex Split and possible major Sudden Stratospheric Warming (SSW) at the turn of the month was watered down into a displacement of cold air over the Arctic in the mid-latitudes and eventually a guessing game for which regions would be plunged into a deep cold spell. Long range weather models consistently pointed to there being a moderate chance of much colder weather impacting Ireland and Britain around or beyond mid-February. It is worth pointing out that the Beast from the East of 2018 was an exceptional event and there was never strong support for a repeat event, despite what the online news sites reported on a daily basis.


    In the end, an Atlantic low pressure system disrupted any path to a cold spell. It likely would have been a different story if the low were further south, but its northerly position has disrupted the amplification of heights to our north and east.

    Key building blocks for a cold spell are falling into place including a Scandinavian high, Greenland high and a displacement resulting in deep pool of cold air over the continent primed to push west. Furthermore, the surface temperature is already low here following a week of below average temperatures. As is the norm for a country placed on the edge of an ocean and whose climate is kept temperate by the Gulf Stream, Ireland needs a clean sweep of the key building blocks in place for a severe cold spell to materialize. There was one missing block that has compromised the foundations for any servere cold to take hold in Ireland. The Atlantic has delivered a December 2021 performance in defying the odds by bringing the Jenga tower of building blocks down. In reality, the models have had such an outcome highlighted as a strong possibility for over a week.

    A return to milder and more unsettled weather ultimately became the form horse ever since the Sunday morning weather model runs.


    As long as I have been weather watching, it never ceases to amaze me how strong the Atlantic influence is in situations like this where everything points to a colder solution. Even looking at the pressure charts tonight, a gambler who didn't have the luxury of knowing what the charts would produce in 5 days time would be hard pressed not to place money on a cold outcome. If weather was the leading focus of the gambling industry, the advice would be to never rule out the Atlantic irrespective of the odds.

    The Atlantic is King when it comes to our weather. It rules our climate from one end of the year to the next by delivering us a year-round spring interpersed with fleeting glimpses of what other parts of the world call summer and winter. Chasing those glimpses is what makes weather watching in this country a rollercoaster.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    As referred to in the above post, the Atlantic low has dipped a little further south on the 18z ECM, which increases the number of cold members for next Monday. Milder weather remains the more likely outcome.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,345 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    I don't really understand weather charts but to my very untrained eye the T144 chart on the 0z ECM looks hugely promising - you’d think it was inevitable that the Atlantic low would slide under the Scandi high with the cold air then sucked westward over us from the east. Alas, the projected outcome is far from….

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    This could be my last post in this thread until I open the Spring thread but the GFS 00z is grim if your looking for the smallest of smallest chances of finding cold. Very mild throughout and plenty of precipitation. I've lost interest in an SSW at this point as that ship has sailed for another winter. I don't want an SSW in March or April, I'd like a dry, mild Spring and then a better summer than what we got last year, hopefully nowhere near as chilly.

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    That ensemble graph is as grim as it gets for cold bunnies for the final 2 weeks of winter, nothing more needs to be said really. Winter 2024/2025 will end up being yet another warmer than average winter when we combine the very mild December and February 2025 very much likely to finish up milder than average. January was close to average or slightly below and not enough to offset the December and likely February values.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭almostthere12


    Yip that's what we have all (well nearly all) been hoping for and what the ECM, GEM, JMA have given us on occasion but to me where it is going wrong is that the azores high coming into view is pushing the low northeast instead of allowing it slide. The strength of azores high seems to be a feature of our weather more and more, not so much this winter but not surprised when it scuppers things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭rooney30


    Thanks Wolfe for breaking down all the technical jargon in such concise and articulate fashion . Keep up the good work



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭almostthere12


    The models still all over the place, a raging easterly is off the cards but the Atlantic zonal train is losing a bit of support. Below are the ukmo and the gfs for next Tuesday morning. Both show a better building of heights but the ukmo goes with the low sliding which means the flow is a colder south easterly v a southerly for the gfs. It will be an interesting to see the ecm later as its verification stats are a lot better than the gfs.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,345 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    yeah, I’m not convinced all hope is gone.,,,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭esposito


    No 12z EC 🤣

    Tech issues.



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