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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,653 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    But for the US to "take over" the Palestinians would be gone , so Israel would have no need for Genocide as the job would have been done for them.

    It's a nonsense argument.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,309 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Even the fixation on trans athletes competing in women's sport is bizarre in the extreme. An absolute miniscule number of athletes in global sport have changed gender - things like the widespread use of drugs in sport, sexual abuse by coaches, sexism and homophobia in sport, sports washing etc are of absolutely no interest to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Mr.Wemmick


    I’m sure I’m not the only one sick to the back teeth of the pendulum-swing of woke arguments. Most folks are so lost with dense layers of media induced false hysteria to know that common sense and human value continues to be the victim.

    People have ended up cherry-picking the reasons for voting and all pragmatic choices to do with education, health, infrastructure & community fell away. Every young girl and woman impacted by trans ideology clearly wanted out and the devil was one to offer it. The whole system stinks and the reason we have Trump is down to the continued polarisation and the Democrats, it seems, have little choice to play that game and choose a side even if wrong.

    I don’t see how any of this will improve with the Democrats in power again, other than the initial huge relief that the crazy dangerous man and his rabble are gone.

    “The fact that society believes a man who says he’s a woman, instead of a woman who says he’s not, is proof that society knows exactly who is the man and who is the woman.”

    - Jen Izaakson



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,704 ✭✭✭yagan


    Hes still insisting that everyone loves his gaza plan, well obviously everyone in his circle while his staffers try to walk it back.

    Threatening to take Greenland and Panama already forgotten.

    His amazing plan to stop the war in Ukraine on day one, forgotten.

    Effectively there is no leadership, but that's what he campaigned as, the anti government president.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    At least we've moved on from 'there's not such thing as the culture wars' to 'the culture wars aren't important'.

    You'll get there soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,309 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    How many trans athletes are competing in women's sport in Ireland? Are there even one or two? It's the greatest load of nonsense that impacts on virtually nobody on a day-to-day level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


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    How can we blame Biden



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    wonder would the Gazans move to Greenland should trump acquire it. Loads of empty space there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    musks crack team wouldn’t be allowed rent a car in America but


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 679 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Those numbers as you call them are people's lives. I haven't heard from my friend in Gaza since June. I'm guessing you know nobody in Gaza.

    It's only bad when it's Biden

    I have never said this. To be very very clear It is evil if Trump murders children too.

    Try reading my comments. As far as I'm concerned Trump committed war crimes during his first presidency and is a war criminal too. However, he has not reached the same depths of depravity as team Biden and I hope he does not, not because I like Trump or Republicans but because I am against war crimes, genocide, child murder, etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    All I see pushing this T phobia are conservatives.

    If you or they want to talk about facts, ye should look at the dominance of cis men targeting, attacking and abusing women. Up to and including the current US President. He's the one who has bragged about grabbing womens privates just because he wanted to. And who is an adjudicated rapist. And who is known for walking in to womens changing rooms as he wished to.

    That is how I know conservatives, such as Nancy Mace, don't give a sh*t about protecting women. Because they are in full support of Trump. A lot of times in politics, as can talk about hypocrisy but the black and white of modern day right wing conservatives in speaking out of both sides of their mouth could not be more stark.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's also the utter delusion that Trump and the GOP would act differently in any way whatsoever.

    US policy regarding Israel is appalling and always has been regardless of who is in power across the various branches of Government. They will facilitate and support ANY action taken by Israel not matter who is casting the vote.

    That's why anyone that based their voting decisions last November on the actions of the Biden admin regarding Israel was quite simply being utterly stupid.

    Their decision was basically - I really hate what Biden is doing in Israel , even though it is EXACTLY what a GOP President would do, so I'm going to either abstain or vote for the GOP (which is the same thing in practical terms) such that the GOP will continue to do exactly the same things in Israel AND get to enact all the other awful things they want to do both nationally and internationally , but I'm really angry about Gaza so I'm going to shoot myself in the face to show my solidarity with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Mr.Wemmick


    You see that’s what I don’t get: the fixation on the fixation (not you, but generally speaking).. it’s not the amount of men competing in woman’s sports that’s the issue, but the rule that they are allowed to.

    It should be a straightforward issue, but as it’s politicised and driven into an extreme corner along with every other issue out there, we’re lost in the storm of something that should get resolved to the betterment of all involved.

    “The fact that society believes a man who says he’s a woman, instead of a woman who says he’s not, is proof that society knows exactly who is the man and who is the woman.”

    - Jen Izaakson



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 240 ✭✭Seattle


    A fair point - military capability comes with significant costs. No one is suggesting Ireland should try to match major military powers, but there’s a middle ground between full reliance on others and an unrealistic attempt at self-sufficiency.

    You mention the cost of modern fighter jets, naval capabilities, and a standing army, but that assumes an all-or-nothing approach. Realistically, Ireland could develop a targeted, cost-effective defence policy focused on key areas: radar and intelligence capabilities, maritime security, and strategic deterrence. These wouldn't make us a military powerhouse, but they would enhance national security and reduce reliance on external forces.

    The financial argument is valid, but so is the question of responsibility. We're an EU member state, benefitting from the security environment it helps maintain. Contributing in a way that suits our means - whether through cyber defence, surveillance infrastructure, or naval patrols - isn't just about national defence, it's about playing our part in a collective security framework.

    As for taxes, if investment in defence is necessary for national security, then yes, it should be considered alongside other priorities. Dismissing the discussion outright due to cost ignores the reality that security always comes with a price - whether it's paid upfront or in a crisis when it's too late.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Just on that - Pam Bondi , the new Attorney General has said that anyone in the DOJ that doesn't follow a directive from Trump will be fired.

    U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi issued a directive on Wednesday, her first day in office, that could allow Justice Department lawyers to be fired if they refuse to advance legal arguments on behalf of President Donald Trump's administration.The memo states that "any Justice Department attorney who declines to sign a brief, refuses to advance good-faith arguments on behalf of the Trump administration, or otherwise delays or impedes the Justice Department’s mission will be subject to discipline and potentially termination."

    So remember back in 2020 when Trump was trying to get the DOJ to raise investigations into utter nonsense claims about the Election and they said no because there was no legal basis.. Well now those people will simply be fired until they find someone willing to do exactly what they are told.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,699 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    All this stuff he dreamed up to attack in the first couple of weeks will be dropped, he has had his 'golden escalator' moment for this term. He does not have the attention span or stamina or interest to pursue any of it, it will just become his 'I wrote more EOs in two weeks than anyone ever before me. No-one has passed more EOs than me, I made America great again' charm to be repeated between golf sessions.

    Meanwhile the mess he has made will plague America for decades to come. The administration will be a shambles, Gaza will not be magically redeveloped into a holiday resort, nor will the people be aided by the US; most of the world, and especially the Canadians will continue to despise him and Maga will go on admiring him for whatever angle right wing news invents for him.

    Trying to blame Biden for this debacle is ridiculous. History will eventually apportion blame, and will quite likely hold the Democrats and Biden responsible, but for the moment, blaming anyone but Trump and the people who voted for him is just distraction and making excuses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Give him few months, only matter of time before Trump starts making moves and claims on Ireland once he realises that there is another island in North Atlantic and unlike Greenland it’s literally unprotected

    Then himself and the other far lefties will wake up from their leftie la La land delusions and will do a complete 180 on the need for defence and alliances



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,632 ✭✭✭Rawr


    That dimwit probably would think that too. Of course, I suspect any musings he had of the US "taking over" Gaza did not include any ideas of giving Gazans US Citizenship or Residency in the US. Wrong colour and religion afterall.

    I'm also pretty sure Donnie has no grasp of what is needed to maintain a community of 2 million people. Nuuk, the capital of Greenland, has a population of about 20000 and is comparible to a small Irish town. If the crayons in Donnie's head actually drew up a plan to put Gazans on Greenland, his likely focus would be on the plentiful space available…while ignoring the Herculean job required to build the roads, housing and services needed to maintain a population of 2 million people.

    That's what is especially monsterious about a plan to simply upend all of the Palestinians living there. Capacity for 2 million people cannot come out of thin air, even if the load was spread across several nations. To do it in a way to ensure the wellbeing of the Palestinians would require a logisitics operation so expansive that we've likely never seen before. It would require a vast multi-national operation, and Trillions of $ used to make it work. But I suspect Donnie didn't consider that, because Donnie doesn't think about things like that. He thinks about soundbytes that might make it look like he knows what he is doing…when really he hasn't got a f*cking clue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,231 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Yep.

    The checks and balances are worthless when the civil service is packed with loyalists and anyone who dares to object gets overruled, fired, or ultimately disappeared

    (What's that Mr Gomez, your Father didn't have a greencard?, off to Guantanamo Bay for you)

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,583 ✭✭✭McFly85


    They don’t really care about anything they claim to and it doesn’t take long to see it. They will scream from the rooftops about protecting children from drag performers but ignore the countless priests/pastors that are arrested for sexual abuse with a minor, or the thousands of dead kids from gun violence.

    The trans issue is similar, they are such a tiny percentage of the population that most people will have never had any meaningful meeting with a single one but also somehow they’re destroying the country.

    They have a side that they’ve picked and just want to see the other side lose. It doesn’t matter who’s abusing kids to them, it’s only whatever they can accuse the other side of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Nobody ever said that. Not once. It was never said that if you don't call Trump a rapist then you are one yourself.

    Show us the post, or retract this lie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,063 ✭✭✭uptherebels




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,231 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Its politicised in the same way that many brexiters in the UK voted against the EU because of 'Bendy Bananas'

    The Pro Brexit side lied about the impact of EU regulations on their day to day lives, then the media amplified those lies, then people were convinced that the EU was trying to control their laws and was full of unnecessary regulations

    The fact that none of them could give a single example of EU 'red tape' that affected their lives negatively doesn't matter, they were convinced that it was a problem by the constant repetition by the Corrupt anti EU campaign, financed and run by malign forces who are now on the exact same side as the pro-trump pro-fascists who used similar tactics to blame 'woke Trans activists' people for the Dems losing.

    Not everyone fell for that blatant obfuscation. But about half of the people motivated enough to vote did.

    These tactics target the most vulnerable voters (those who are the most easily manipulated and who were consumers of the media outlets that have spent the last decade grooming them)

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,031 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    We had a poster on here early last year, or maybe it was 2023. Continually talking about protecting kids from trans book readings. Absolutely indifferent to the catalogue of abuses committed by the churches. Had zero interest in that despite the overwhelming evidence of how prevalent and sustained it was.

    It's Nigel Farage caring about fishermen while campaigning for Brexit but not attending meetings in the EU while an MEP and on a Fisheries board.

    And still people fall for it enough to elect Trump as President and to suggest Reform are the most popular party in the UK.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,278 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    What if a chartered plane full of Gazans and some journos approaches Dublin, will it be refused permission to land? Just like the Italians turned away African refugee boats?

    Mr Katz's plan will include exit options via land crossings, as well as special arrangements for departure by sea and air. 'norway, ireland, spain, their hypocrisy would be exposed if they refuse to do so'

    https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2025/0206/1495021-israel-katz-ireland/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,231 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Trump is a fundamentally lazy man, but he now has an entire administration with unlimited power and resources who are all very very highly motivated to get things done as quickly as they can.

    Trump won't do the work, but he will do what he enjoys, which is turning up for the big photo opportunities, making the announcements, going on the media and ranting about whatever is running through his mind for hours on end. That's not work for him, that's his obsession and he'd be doing that on his own even if he wasn't president.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,267 ✭✭✭Buford T Justice


    Shock horror, yet another example of his adminsitration lap dogs saying "What he actually meant was…."

    https://www.thejournal.ie/trump-administration-appears-to-walk-back-shock-gaza-plan-6614583-Feb2025/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,699 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    But if all the Gazans go to settle in other countries who will do the cooking and cleaning and waiting in the Gaza (probably need to change that name…) resort?

    Edit, just seen the White House clarification. So the Palastinians move out, US moves in and rebuilds (who are the actual builders, electricians, plumbers etc? And support teams?) then the Palastinians move back to run the place for Trump, what's to stop the Israelis bombing them out again, what will have changed?



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