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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Do you think I give a flying f about the party of genocide? I hope Trump will not engage in ethnic cleansing/ genocide and it would be good to see the USA focus on innovation and discovery like a space program again. Maybe that's what they'll do but if you think I care about how well the pro abortion or the anti abortion parties do in elections....

    My chief hope is that whoever is in charge will stop spreading war and terrorism around the globe. Would Kamala have started a war with Iran? Will Trump start such a war? I hope not. Trump has already disappointed by continuing the Ukraine war but at least he seems willing to talk. Maybe Trump will be worse than Biden, I hope not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭reclose


    Surely they need to be vocal in pointing out what’s wrong with the decisions and alternative options available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Arming Israel when they are committing genocide is arguably worse than rearming during a ceasefire.

    Israel got $12.7 billion in military aide alone in 2023 from Biden.

    It's horrible to give Israel any military aide but Trump has committed 1 billion, 1/12 of Bidens military support.

    If Trump gives them 12.7 billion while they are murdering children then it's just as bad as Biden and maybe worse because he has a fresh set of eyes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭Sandor Clegane


    Whether you like it or not its not on how weak and exposed we are here and its starting to get called out, we use our geographical location as an excuse and reason to not look after ourselves, a country that can't look after themselves militarily cannot be considered nuetral, we can claim it only because of our location, we're surrounded by non hostile countries that we are alligned to politically, ethically so were lucky, its also not about winning if someone is attacking us its about seeing it coming, making it difficult and using defense as a deterrent, if we had radar, a navy and maybe some fighter jets we could use them to deter hostile entities instead of having the Brits do it all for us while we sit on our hands.

    We're part of the EU, we've benefitted greatly because of it and we should play a part in its defense, nobody is expecting us to be a super power, but we should contribute, instead we've used our favourable geographical position to freeload.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Well, they certainly aren't happy watching their USAID slush fund vanish before their eyes. Plenty of noise about that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,114 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Almost everyone knows that this is just common sense yet the Democrats were unable to appeal to the vast majority who know that and it's not only women's sports.

    Democrats seem to think they have to sacrifice their own values to stand up for common sense.

    Maybe that will change finally after this but I wouldn't hold my breath.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    That makes Trump the head of the party, he was the nominee for President and look at how he nuked the border deal even though Republicans in Committee were on board with it.

    Bidens room for maneuver was constrained by Congress and what was politically possible eg the Democrats being outflanked by more pro Israel Republicans in the election.

    And thats what happened... instead of a Democratic President favouring two state solution there is now Trump openly advocating ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

    You are supporting ethnic cleansing in act as you defend Trump and instead of criticising what Trump is advocating engage in whataboutery. If you dont appreciate being challenged for supporting ethnic cleansing that is entirely the result of the content of your posts and what they say and do not say.

    Instead of unconvincing attempts to play the victim, you could demonstrate your opposition to ethnic cleansing by acknowledging thats what Trump proposed and criticising it on that basis.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    That's a weapons sale. I was referring to the military aid the US gives to Israel (the vast bulk of the weapons Israel use are military aid). The president can veto or bypass congress with the former, but the latter he is legally required to dispense to Israel. In short, Biden couldn't have just stopped Israel with the stroke of a pen, it would have required congress to approve it (which was a GOP house)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,315 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Sports competitions and their internal rules are normally not covered by national law, so one would very much question the legality of that.

    I could hold an egg and spoon race next week and I don't need to consult the laws of the land or the Irish Constitution before I decide who can compete.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,334 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    They interviewed a Democrat briefly alright who looked pretty pizzed- thing is, Trump is “suggesting” this- whether it actually becomes policy remains to be seen - if there’s some sort of vote on it required we might see more action



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Yeah the devil is in the detail, it's only withholding federal funding rather than a ban. I do wonder what the Olympics will think about him banning trans athletes from entering the country for the Olympics though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,062 ✭✭✭blackbox


    He'll order a boycott of any sport event where trans people are not banned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,042 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Ahhh.

    Having the courage to say what you actually mean second time around, eh?

    Well, it's interesting to note you rate the issue of trans women in sports as extremely important.

    I could list twenty others that are more important, generally speaking.

    But you see, the last part of your statement belies your true investment in this action by trump.

    You have an issue with trans people and you want the most powerful man in the world to take a swipe at them.

    Not very pleasant.

    Frankly, I could never understand why you or anyone else are concerned about the genitalia of people you'll never meet. I find it.... Weird.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭reclose




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 264 ✭✭SpoonyMcSpoon


    Maybe we are getting closer to seeing the nonsensical “you can legally change your gender from male / female” policies changed as well. That will be a fine day when this tiny group of people finally have to just accept that they can go around and call themselves whatever they want but they shouldn’t have laws brought in forcing their delusions on the rest of us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    I am against ethnic cleansing through displacement and I am even more against ethnic cleansing through murder.

    The Israeli's won't allow a two State solution. They've murdered about 10% of the population of Gaza by some estimates. So what's the solution? The Israeli's cite Amelekh and seem committed to murdering the entire population of Gaza.

    No idea how you think I'm playing victim. As I said, it's possible Trump will be worse than Biden. So far, his presidential actions are not as bad as Biden's but he could be a far worse butcher. Biden's words were nicer but his actions horrific.

    I would rather move than have my children murdered. That doesn't make ethnic cleansing through displacement okay but it makes it less evil IMHO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,080 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I doubt it would take tens of thousands of American soldiers. Gaza is tiny, it's less than half the size of county louth. It's not Afghanistan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    That showed Biden bypassed Congress to help Israel murder babies, the opposite of your claim. You're looking for something more specific, the guardian point to the threat to withhold weapons via a vis humanitarian aide.

    The administration said it could suspend US military support to Israel if conditions did not improve.

    I have no understanding why you are defending the inhuman actions of Biden and Democrats.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,659 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    So it's only bad when it happens under Biden, ie fake concern. Thanks for confirming.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 696 ✭✭✭batman75


    It's really hard to take Trump seriously. He is full of bombast. His pronouncement on Gaza is clearly not feasible. The Gazan's, rightfully so, will not vacate Gaza. It's their home. It's not some piece of real estate to be played it. It's a homeland for Palestinian people.

    If their was justice in the world the cost of reconstruction would fall on Israel. It might make them think twice about bombing again. Netanyahu is a monster, on some levels clever, but devoid of a conscience or humanity. He is playing Trump like a fiddle.

    A two state is unlikely to ever work due to Israel's lack of respect for the Palestinian people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I'm not defending Biden or the Democrats, I have made my displeasure known on the relevant thread. I just don't believe Biden could have ended or stopped Israel killing 10's of thousands with a simple penstroke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    While there is no logic to this scum he is happy for other countries to have to take in 2 million displaced Gazans yet does not want any immigrants in USA. A grade A gobs*&^e.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,513 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    Is twitter x link banned front this site.?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,022 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Oh, god yes. They're threatening to launch a major, and I mean MAJOR... leaflet campaign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,315 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    No, in fact ; you just need to enter 'twitter.com' instead of 'x.com' when inserting a link.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,607 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Agreed, the Democrats made a total pigs ear with all the woke ideology stuff, getting so far as to argue that it was fine for trans Trans identifying male persons to compete in girls & women's sports !!! This was an open goal for Trump to score against. Hopefully the democrats will turn down the ideology dial before the next election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,712 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Do you have any clue, whatsoever, about how much a modern military would cost? Even on a minimal level? Do you know how much a modern military fighter jet aircraft costs? Just one. Can you understand how much it would cost to build a single squadron of modern fighter jets? Can you understand how much it would cost to train the personnel to, not only crew those aircraft, but to service them too?

    And that's just a single squadron (12 to 24 aircraft) of planes. Something that could be wiped out in a single engagement.

    Then we'll have to consider our naval requirements, which is a whole other level of expenditure and something that would be of utmost importance because we're an island nation. And then there's amour to consider too.

    And on top of that, is the most important level of military unit, manpower in a standing army.

    All of that has to be paid for.

    How much would YOU be willing to have YOUR taxes raised in order to build a viable (THAT'S VIABLE) military force that could meet any serious force who'd be willing to attack us in a serious manner? Because that is what's going to be the essential arithmetic.

    It's all well and good to sit there and spout big Billy bollocks nonsense about how we should have this, that and the other. But financial reality will soon get in the way of that fantasy.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Eh? My last paragraph says it's worse if Trump does a Biden

    Moa has this to say.

    ----—

    The internationally acknowledged Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics' count of the population of Gaza in 2023 was 2,226,544. Trump wants to remove all Palestinians from Gaza and gives their number as 1.7 or 1.8 million:

    Reporter: How many people are you thinking need to leave Gaza?
    Trump: “All of them. Probably a million seven, maybe a million eight. They’ll be settled in areas where they can live a beautiful life.” (video)

    This is an acknowledgement, by the president of the United States, that the genocidal Zionists have murdered up to 500,000 people in Gaza.

    ------—

    You seem to thinking murder on this scale is a joke.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Ah yes, trans people are the real issue. Not the fact the president of the US just called for some ethnic cleansing…. The posters most concerned about woke seem to only care about it which isn't a great look tbh.



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