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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 283 ✭✭DaBluBoi


    Yet oddly enough Google Maps still shows it as having running departures, alongside the 144



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 148 ✭✭halfpastneverr


    Tried to get an S8 in Tallaght to head out to Sandyford this evening just after 5pm to visit a friend. Bus I was aiming for was canceled, next one was canceled and the next one due was showing ominously only as scheduled and 46 mins away, which means you can add another 10 mins of Go Ahead time onto that estimation if it did run. So I said sod it, I'll jump an S6 and get off in Dundrum and trek up the hill. Same story with the S6. I just gave up and went home. Life is too short to be waiting for nearly an hour at a bus stop after a 12-hour shift.

    No point even complaining because you're just passed from TFI to GAI to TFI and back again. Great little system they've set up for themselves!

    I didn't think it was possible to make bus services worse in this city, but fair play to NTA and TFI. Masters of incompetence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭hfjm20


    Do Donnybrook or any of the other major depots have plans to install electric chargers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,058 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Yeah it feels like the the buses need to be taken off service for a while and given a lot of TLC, but the 139 is a busy service (18 departures each way) so maybe they can't do it. Some of the 2012/2013 Citaros they have are possibly the worst buses I've traveled on in Ireland.. they look like they were bought from some UK airport clearance sale (based on the ads they still have). I hope they'll be retired now that they got the 2025 models.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,888 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Harristown will be the next one I believe once Phibsboro is completed.

    Jamestown Garage is there to facilitate the electrification of other depots, providing the necessary space for the displaced buses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,029 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    So long as we get cars and taxis off those core routes, it will work well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,888 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    An explanation from GoAhead for their atrocious performance lately, and especially since Sunday.

    Clearly these changes have been implemented without the resources being in place to deliver them - something the NTA said that they wouldn't do. Shambolic.

    https://www.transportforireland.ie/news/customer-notice-bus-route-n6-114-s8-s6-and-l26-frequency-issues/

    Customer Notice: Bus Route N6, 114, S8, S6 and L26 frequency issues

    30th January 2025

    Updated 30/01/25

    Go-Ahead Ireland can confirm that a number of bus services including the N6, 114, S8, S6 and L26 have recently experienced service frequency issues which have impacted passengers.

    These service issues are due to a combination of factors. At a sectoral level, there is currently a shortage of mechanics impacting transport operators nationally. This has meant that buses are taking longer to service, thus reducing the number of active vehicles on the road at certain times. This issue has been further aggravated by seasonal illnesses which has further reduced the current number of active mechanics able to service their fleet at a given time.

    Cognisant of their responsibilities to passengers and those communities that they serve, Go-Ahead Ireland have been running a dedicated mechanics recruitment campaign offering a comprehensive and competitive package for candidates. As such, they have experienced an increase in applications for the role of HGV Mechanics since the new year, which will address the current issues and enhance engineering capacity overall.

    Apologies to passengers impacted by the recent service issues. Passenger commitment is fundamental to Go-ahead Ireland, as they strive to offer the best possible service to those communities they serve.

    GAI service updates



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,970 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I see on the GAI website that work is still progressing on the redevelopment of the new bus bays at Bray Dart Station. Has there been any major progress noted on this getting this work finished yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Still on going, one side of the road looks to be completed and they've started on the dart station side, but an awful lot to do.

    I don't think it was to go on as long as this originally



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Last I seen (around 2 weeks ago), the taxi rank side was mostly done and they had started tearing up the road & footpath on the bus stop side.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,876 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Agree, the changes should have been deferred if GAI didn't have the ability to resource them.

    The NTA should have checked with both operators and if either of them didn't have the ability to resource the expansion, should have looked at delaying the changes of that operator until that was the case. Obviously though in some cases it would not have been possible to implement some routes without implementing others so in those cases they should hold back those routes as well.

    The NTA have to take the hit for this one. Yes it's not acceptable that Go-Ahead are so low on maintenance staff they cannot fulfil their services,, but at the same time the end user of the services needs to come first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,888 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    They should as a matter of urgency be looking at implementing temporary timetables that they can operate.

    People need certainty, not this roulette game of whether buses will turn up or not.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,876 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Agree completely, if that means that certain people need to have egg on their faces then so be it, passengers have to come first before any saving of face, no matter who that is.

    Not a great time for the NTA to have an interim CEO either following the departure of Anne Graham.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    That Go Ahead statement does not even fully represent the issues. No mention of the W2, which had 6 departures in a row cancelled from 7.25 this morning, 4 in a row on Wed morning, and 4 out of 5 (inc 3 in a row) on Tue morning. They are a disgrace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,642 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Thing is though the same service issues existed before the changes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,888 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Not to the same extent though.

    The expansion associated with the E Spine launch pushed it to another level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,642 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    I tried using the L27 today from DL. The 15:45 was cancelled and I just got the E2 instead even though it's a longer walk from my house. Appears to be plenty of buses operating on the E1 and E2.

    The service was awful on the 63 pre bus connects now it's the L26 and L27 it's still awful no such issues on the E1 and E2. What really needs to happen is get rid of Go-Ahead and return all routes to DB.

    Their service was okay at the beginning but in the last 2 years the service on all Go-Ahead services has detiorated drastically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,970 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I think the recent customer notice from GAI really gives them loads of time to plan ahead in getting more resources as we look at BusConnects for the rest of the year. It has been said here already on numerous occasions that the next two phases of BusConnects are rumoured to be operated by Dublin Bus only for the F-Spine & the Route O phase of the programme.

    GAI's statement about recruiting mechanics to their workforce does look to be very promising because they might need those additional mechanics in place for routes that will operate on the D-Spine later this year. However the point made a lot of their current mechanics being out sick has undoubtedly caused major problems for their reliability of their network at the moment.

    Those mechanics were needed on site in Ballymount to carry out repairs to their bus fleet to make the E-Spine routes run on schedule for all of their passengers. Obviously the current arrangements that GAI have now with their mechanics being out of action has unfortunately placed a spanner in the works in carrying that task to it's fullest potential.

    There is also the possibility that the huge amount of mechanics that are needed by GAI to be hired to repair their bus fleet are going to be eventually deployed to their 2 new upcoming bus depots for their ODMA network in the near future.

    If GAI acquire 2 new sites & build a depot in time for the remainder of this year. They could use their new North Dublin bus depot with new mechanics on site for repairs & maintenance on buses for their new routes that will be operated for the D-Spine which will include their routes that operate in DCU, N Orbitals, Skerries & Blanchardstown routes etc.

    Then in 2026; their new south Dublin/Bray depot will be used to operate their routes for the B & E Spine & S Orbitals. The Ballymount depot will be used for the routes for Kildare/West Dublin ODMA routes.

    It's not a bad idea when you think about it. However; that work has to be done very quickly to make it happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭john boye


    I can't speak for many GAI routes but the S4 was very reliable until the last week or so.

    I wonder if the NTA were informed about these issues before the E-spine and just ploughed ahead anyway. Or if GAI kept quiet about it and were just hoping to bluff it. Neither scenario would reflect well on whoever is at fault.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,642 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Always struck as a but of a case of rob Peter to pay Paul. Put all their focus on Bus Connects routes to look good for the NTA and let service suffer on non Bus Connected routes now it appears even that's gone out the window.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,137 ✭✭✭Sarn


    Received a booklet on the Phase 6a changes today. Plenty of detail explaining things.
    The only downside for ourselves is the loss of the 46E. It means that the 7B and 7D buses on our road are full by the time they reach our stop during the school run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    Yes, there were definitely doing this and even Dublin Bus were at it. But they could only keep that up for so long!

    The orbital routes being cancelled makes a joke out of the connects part.

    I’ve seen an N2 cancelled on a Saturday. That left a 1 hour gap in service. This is an inner orbital linking across the city with an hour wait. People will just not bother with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,642 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    The issue is though we've been waiting a long time for 24 hour service on the N11 corridor. Delaying this phase would've meant further delaying it. Why should we be delaying 24 hour services because an operator who doesn't even operate said services can't deliver their share of the plan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,583 ✭✭✭VG31


    There was one Saturday 2 or 3 weeks ago where every other N2 was cancelled for most of the day!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    At least the reference to Northwood bray has been updated in the TFI system, displaying correctly now as Northwood Santry



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,790 ✭✭✭jd


    I contacted the NTA about this asking thet it be changed from "Northwood Bray" to "Northwood Santry". I was thinking some of my neighbours would be up in arms if it was changed to "Northwood Ballymun" :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,826 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    Surely, an underperformance in the GAI contract should come with some ramifications in terms of putting at risk future routes awarded and not yet started?



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,413 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    There are certainly financial penalties for them not operating services.

    And it isn't just GAI, last year DB was fined €9 million for services not operated or not operated per schedule, GAI was fined €1.1m.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,262 ✭✭✭Daith


    The penalty stuff is frustrating because it does nothing for the people actually impacted because of the bad services.



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