Is Elon Musk hurting Tesla? (Mod Note Post #1)

He did the same at Twitter when he started out there. Presumably he likes to sleep with all his businesses.

The really bizarre thing about Musk and his tech bro buddies is that they genuinely loves the work. They thrive off the environment of approaching deadlines and crushing amounts of work

I agree. But I'm getting the feeling that he's starting to flit now. He's bored with Twitter and now he's a shiny new toy to play with. And it's the biggest, bestest toy in the toy box.

So about a year back I ended up buying a cupra born, Tesla was in my buying capacity but I absolutely loathed the direction he was going. I largely love my cupra outside of the poor software. I have absolutely no regrets not going for a Tesla. You can point to other CEO scandals etc but none of them are so openly having love fests with the likes of Farage, Trump and the AFD. I'd also suspect Henry Ford if he was born now would be facing a similar debate if you want to compare it to other CEOs egging on Nazis. It's just a very hard reality to escape when so public and influential.

You are correct, I do have an issue with buyers deciding to avoid Tesla because of Musk.

Likewise I have an issue with people who avoid Amazon or Facebook because of Bezos or Zuck and people who avoid Chinese products because of the Chinese govt or avoid oil based products because of the Saudi govt… Although I get the feeling these aren't avoided nearly as much

No I'm not saying that. Like can we deal with what was specifically said rather than argue about something I didn't say? This is the essence of a straw man. 80 years after VW became a different entity, you and others are saying it's still tainted by association. I pointed out how wrong that is. That's it.

But to answer your question, I'll wait and see what transpires. For the record I was never fond of Teslas (just didn't like the look of them bar the model S), long before it became an issue of Musk. In fact I had no real interest in the man until he took over Twitter. What happened there crystallised my opinion of him.

A straw man is an argument created to avoid discussing the subject matter. The poster made a statement about Musk, you responded with an (inaccurate) accusation against VW.

VW guilty by association and Tesla guilty by association. Makes sense to many

Facebook had a user hit post inauguration from what I gather. I've specified that I chose to avoid one electric car company and got a different electric car. Equally I got rid of my Twitter account ages back because of Musk. I've given my reasons for this.

I'm in no way trying to deflect criticism away from Musk or his antics. Conversely I'd say that "antics" is a rather lite word to be using to describe his actions. There's probably a better thread on boards to have that conversation though

What I'm suggesting is the same people who are avoiding Tesla are continuing to happily use Chinese, Amazon and Meta products. My problem is the targeting of one company because of what its part-owner does

I haven't heard of any hit to the books user numbers so not sure that actually happened. Meta usually release these figures annually so to have them 10 days after the inauguration would be strange.

Out of interest have you also chosen to avoid Amazon and Meta products for the same reason?

My own twitter account remains open but I have deleted the app because the whole thing has become a complete cesspit of misinformation and the main thing I used it for before, sports results, has largely disappeared

There's an ongoing boycott. I no longer have a Facebook account. Amazon I always try to avoid purchasing from. I can't boycott aws as it relates heavily to my profession. In terms of boycotting, it's a hell of a lot easier to boycott Tesla though. On top of that, Musk is behaving the worst out of all of them.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/meta-boycott-facebook-instagram-users-delete-accounts-policy-changes-rcna187480