Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

I'll refer to my previous post, just because my opinion differs from yours, doesn't make it daft and yours right, equally yours is not daft and mine is not right. If you find my opinions laughable so be it.

I just hold stronger nationistic beliefs, and believe there the rules about becoming Irish are too lax.

If you think everybody who applies to be Irish should have stricter rules than applications in other EU countries , then that is your opinion and make that case. You did not say that in the original post .

Don't conflate it with people you accuse of " flushing passports down a toilet " . Or that those who do get granted can never be Irish unless they are involved in the Irish culture . Those are discriminatory generalisations .

It is ludicrous to most people who live and work in countries all over the world and have acquired citizenship today they are second class citizens and not expect some blowback.

Most people retain their own culture and adopt some of their host culture depending on who they are living/ working with , whether they have children and how long they are residing in the other other country.

Many Irish for example have UK / dual passports but when living in UK would define themselves as Irish. .

There are people who don't integrate among Irish as well as other nationalities .

What also seems to get forgotten is we have 500,000 adults who are living at home.

Only for owning your own house is such a big thing here, we would have a hell of a lot more homeless.

The crisis is a lot worse than how it currently looks.

We should be building houses for these people before we give them away to anyone else who arrives here and is not paying for their house.

You don't know what my nationalistic beliefs are . To say yours are " stronger ", how can you ? Another odd statement .

I don't think it is relevant whether one has "strong nationalistic beliefs" or not and whether we need new rules for citizenship. Surely if that were the case we would be referring to those who would seek to close our borders for our citizenship legislation?

Can you make the case without resorting to personal and implied criticism of my supposed beliefs ?

From your link this article refers to the period 2015 to 2023

Looking at population growth in comparison to housing delivery between 2015 and 2023, the analysis shows that 3.8 people were added to the population for every one new unit of housing delivered, a ratio of nearly four to one.

And the link I provided earlier showed us what was happening to house building in Ireland during the same period.

Do you think not building houses might have anything to do with the shortage identified from 2015 on in your savills link?

I believe I asked you to stop making the discussion personal . And nothing else to you .

How is that twisting and turning ?

I 'll make it plain for you..you don't know where I have lived , worked or what nationality I am and you do not do know anyone else's history and yet you profess people not to be " real Irish " ?

If they choose to call themselves Irish or not is immaterial.if they have the legal status of citizenship. Citizenship does not bestow nationhood it bestows a legal status . That is my point.

(It's not my fault or anyone else's if you cannot understand the point I am making btw )

I certainly would not think that to be Irish in an Ireland that is being defined by some as only those who speak the language or those who embrace Irish culture would be something we could all get behind really .

Many Irish born and bred here now do not speak Irish and that I agree is a pity, but do I want to ban people because of that ..no .

What is this Irish culture one should embrace .? Define it .

I would bet that the amount of people who engage in Traditional Irish culture is less and less and yet we still call ourselves Irish .

A country's culture is not a fixed immovable state .

We are very different in how we live and socialize from our grandparents and yet we still have a culture if not Traditional Irish .

Trump declares national emergency at their southern border in relation to illegal immigration. Our government should declare an emergency too at our entry points.

I agree with your point if we refer to say the 60's, 70's and 80's ... let,s call it before the late 1990's. What changed ? Our welfare system. Since the 90's, its too generous, % on disability increased significantly year on year without it being challenged enough, young healthy people not being forced to work or take part in community work, rent allowance / HAP and its loss if you take a job, racist card pulled if dole officer questions the natives, losing medical card if you move to employment, and plenty more reasons to stay unemployed. Its wrong when there are more reasons to stay unemployed than to work (low to medium paid jobs).

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2025/01/20/state-spent-143bn-on-accommodation-for-asylum-seekers-and-ukrainian-refugees-in-first-9-months-of-2024/

And that doesn’t even include the costs of site maintenance, catering, medical care. The additional strain placed on our already creaking health infrastructure.

Think of the other infrastructure projects that could have been begun and developed with this money. Things that would actually benefit the country and make it a better place to live.

Instead we are spending it on this. And it’s going to be more of the same every year and will only get worse.

Astounding waste of taxpayer money. Disgraceful even.

I think it was 119 million in 2021

Your post makes sense unlike the previous ones I commend you for that .

Real Irish are those with a history and born here unlike those that came recently.

House building can not keep pace with the inflated numbers coming here simply that .The Saville report is more recent than your link to 2008.

This is very true as evidenced by the calls by employers to sort out housing so that more people can be brought into the country. So as soon as more housing is built, inward migration increases and yet more housing then needs to be built.

Yes, we must build more houses but this must be balanced by curbs on immigration.

That is an interesting point about one parent families with young kids or vulnerable special needs kids or adults, I suppose then investigation and allowances would be made, I did not think of that in my post, maybe they could do courses or work part time while kids in schools or respite

I was surprised by this from Dept of Justice

If you are in Ireland as a refugee, you can also become an Irish citizen after three years

Why is it a lesser period than five years for a refugee?

https://www.thejournal.ie/number-of-6598973-Jan2025/

Massive increase in appeals for refusals, fuelled no doubt by zealots like Olivia Headon et al

Using tax payer money to clog up our already struggling courts and justice system. Millions more that could be used to the benefit of our country being wasted on this instead.

Wait till the money dries up and we're still paying for this crap. That's when the real anger with come out.