Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

I see this as just a fearmongering argument. Saying that immigrants are somehow killing wages and making life harder for Irish workers just isn’t backed up by most studies. Immigrants actually fill jobs that native workers might not want and in the long run they contribute to economic growth. Plus, this comparison to 400 years ago doesn’t hold up because back then it was about colonialism and control, not just people moving for work. And let’s not forget, the far-right groups and individuals pushing this anti-immigrant stuff were the same ones marching with loyalists. Influential loyalists discredited Sinn Fein and manipulated the low iq far right crowd in order to weaken Sinn Fein so that they can keep the partition going, when it was right on track to become a united Ireland in a short period of time imo. They have a good laugh about the stupidity of Paddy, no doubt. So easily manipulated - a laughing stock but that's the far right for you. So the far right idiots are just using the whole thing to stir up division and of course, get attention, and of course, grift.

So so many examples but you can't produce just one to support the statement. But I should totally take you at your word.

Your unlinked unverifiable example wasn't in the Irish times was it. I believe you are talking about kitty Holland speaking on the view a bbc ni programme.

Your allusion to behind the Irish times pay wall is interesting as surely if the article is there and you can't access it and you likely never accessed it and so the content and context remain unknown to you. But you are sure they are calling everyone racist all the time in those articles we can't see.

Even though you can't provide a single example.

Why are you putting words in my mouth, I never said only those born here can be Irish.

But for what it's worth, the more ties you have to the country, the greater your ancestral line to the country, you definitely are more Irish than someone who lost their passport in a ryanair toilet and has been propped up the state for the previous few years in an Ipas or DP centre.

The men are more beautiful too. We're a scaldy bunch over here 🤣

It's baffling how they could keep a straight face while telling you increasing the population had no effect on housing.

If you said it to a primary school class they would laugh at you and yet we had people trying to tell adults a barefaced lie.

What effect did the collapse of the housing market have on housing stock.

Did the years after the post tiger economy and the near complete lack of significant home building have any effect on the availability or was it all just the immigrants?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1417855/ireland-number-of-homes-completed-quarterly/

The circumstances are the same now as they have been for the last decade.

That is simply not true.
See my post above and link showing the level of new home completions per quarter during the period 10 years ago.

I never said it was all Immigration that caused the housing crisis, so I have no idea what point you are trying to make.

I said Immigration has an affect on the housing crisis, do you disagree with that?

Obviously the scale of gross immigration adds to the demand for housing.

This is especially so if the number of emigrants have not left empty houses behind them.

Its not even your opinion that the majority have issues with it, 70 to 80 percent is what opinion polls have told us.

If having an issue with immigration was far right then we would have a far right government.

It is not far right and we have a very small number of far right in this country.

Immigration is a factor in the current housing issue. But the complete collapse of significant home building post tiger economy is hugely significant when talking about where we are at with the housing issue.

To ignore in favor of only one other factor is ignoring the elephant in the room on this issue.

Good post

This link ranks Ireland as having the most serious housing shortage in 8 advanced countries. Population growth exceeds new home delivery by almost 4 to 1 .This population growth would include new arrivals resident migrants and their children born here .

https://www.savills.ie/blog/article/365469/ireland-articles/irish-population-growth-exceeds-new-home-delivery.aspx

@prunudo .(tag /quote not working here )

What you said and what I thought was daft was that people who" throw away their nationality " and seek citizenship after 3 years or more can never be considered Irish . No words are being put in your mouth .

"The idea that after 3 years, someone is Irish is nonsense. And quite frankly, someone who can throw away their previous nationality, for another in the space of 3 years, regardless of whether they've benefited or contributed positively to Irish society, is not the personality trait we should be encouraging as an Irish citizen."

This is a daft statement . As I explained in my previous post people apply for citizenship in countries they are living and working in all the time . Are they not people who can be considered worthy of the nationality they apply for .

Many Irish people have US, UK Australian and other nationality citizenship . Many apply for purely work reasons but many also apply because they want to live / work here or in those other countries longer-term .

The fact that you don't think they can be considered really Irish / American/ British etc because they want to do that would be considered discriminatory and laughable to most sensible people .

If people want to declare for their new nationality they are entitled to do so .

And it is you applying my statement to those IPAS you consider unworthy . My post had no mention of IPAS .

@rgossip30 replying to this because it is related .

Of course they are not native Irish but some , not all do integrate and become very much involved in the culture.

If you want to discuss it seriously maybe a little less personal ? You don't know where I or anybody else on this thread have lived or what our " original " nationalities are .