BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

Daith · 12-01-2025 05:07PM

One thing I'd love to know (but never will) is if the NTA changed the 19 because they genuinely listened to feedback and agreed with it, or was it because they were shouting largest, had more political support or the right political support, etc. Or combination of both , etc, etc.

Again I think it's a good change, not calling for anything to be removed! Just more curious about the internal decision making.

LXFlyer · 12-01-2025 05:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123047840#Comment_123047840

The only way the loss of a direct service to/from the city will change, is if there is a concerted and (importantly) a reasoned campaign pointing out the pitfalls of changing to a low frequency service.

It also needs all of the local politicians on board and working together (which is a big ask).

oliver_murray · 12-01-2025 05:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123047882#Comment_123047882

That's true, there is a lack of engagement between the politicians, there needs to be more parternship for this kind of stuff. Even if the 68 skipped the bad section of SCR it would be so much more reliable in terms of being late and taking ages to leave the city.

Daith · 12-01-2025 05:16PM

Yeah unfortunately/fortunately the 19 campaign had the benefit of a general election which focused the candidates minds.

LXFlyer · 13-01-2025 05:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123040765#Comment_123040765

Just to go back to this - why would any works to facilitate the O have to go to tender?

Surely they would fall within normal DCC works that they can carry out without tenders/planning permission?

BusGuy · 13-01-2025 05:18PM

Interesting…

thomasj · 13-01-2025 05:48PM

I would call Infirmary Road Northside and not City centre?……

BusGuy · 13-01-2025 06:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123052075#Comment_123052075

They probably placed this notice everywhere along the 11….

thomasj · 13-01-2025 06:25PM

Sure not like anyone Sandyford or along the 11 goes to the TU in Phibsborough, they all go to DCU on the 19 instead :facepalm:

BusGuy · 13-01-2025 10:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123052229#Comment_123052229

Nah, the 19 is made more for the Airport people. Wonder what buses will be on the 19…

thomasj · 13-01-2025 10:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123052971#Comment_123052971

Won't matter. It will be a useful service made more so now that it will run to Merrion square soon . Looking forward to the 24 though , will be a handy connection off the N4 without the need to go onto the swords road

cantthinkofausername1 · 14-01-2025 06:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123052971#Comment_123052971

I would love to see a PA on the 19 but I think that's that unlikely because the 19 will go to the Airport (meaning Dublin Bus may prioritise luggage rack buses for the route)

smackyB · 14-01-2025 10:15AM

New BusConnects routes now available in the GTFS dataset: https://bustimes.org/services/e2-e2-dun-loaghaire-ikea?date=2025-01-27

LXFlyer · 14-01-2025 10:45AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123053694#Comment_123053694

In other words, the new timetables for Dublin Bus routes are available on bustimes.org - change the date to 26th January 2025 onwards to see them for the revised 4, 11 and 13 timetables.

Dublin Bus routes are here:

https://bustimes.org/operators/dublin-bus

Routes 4, 11, 11b, 13, 19, E1, E2, L12, L14, X1 and X2

GoAhead routes are not yet loaded into the journey planner but are on the GAI website with summary timetables:

https://www.goaheadireland.ie/busconnects-phase-6a

Routes L1, L2, L3, L15, L26 and L27

loco_scolo · 14-01-2025 11:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123053771#Comment_123053771

Thanks for the link.

Regarding the 19, it's far more frequent in the morning than expected, which is great. Every 20minutes from the Airport all day, but a tonne of extra departures starting in Wadelai. In the 730am to 9am window I mentioned previously, there's about 13x services, which is only 2 or 3 less than the 11/13 combined.

LXFlyer · 14-01-2025 11:36AM

A very quick analysis shows that they have dealt with the peaks quite well on the Spine:

Brewery Road gains 2 buses inbound between 07:00 and 09:00 (there are 8 extra works that go as far as Parnell Square on the E1).

DCU inbound gains 4 buses inbound between 07:00 and 09:00 (when including the 9 which will be removed when the F Spine launches).

The 19 will have 9 additional shorts from Wadelai to the city in the morning, with 3 extending to Merrion Square and the same in the evening outbound - that should help Drumcondra. The evening peak sees the same pattern.

The problem is along the NCR which is being shafted frankly. It’s a huge drop in service levels.

There will be departures ex-Infirmary Road on the combined 11 and 11b as below:

05:15

06:00-07:00 - 20 mins

07:00-07:30 - 15 mins

07:30-08:00 - 10 mins

08:00-09:00 - 15 mins

09:00-09:30 - 30 mins

09:30-16:00 - 15 mins

16:00-16:30 - 30 mins

16:30-19:30 - 20 mins

19:30-23:30 - 30 mins

The two 30 min gaps in daytime frequency are unforgivable, and I think that the 15 min frequency from 08:00 to 09:00 is not going to work either.

There’s also a 46 min gap in buses leaving O’Connell Street for Infirmary Road between 07:52 and 08:38. That’s just woeful timetabling.

VG31 · 14-01-2025 11:36AM

I see the 19, E1 and E2 will now use the new N2 stop 8246 at Griffith Avenue. That means there will be a odd situation where all the buses that pass that way except the 9 will stop there!

There is also a new stop for the 19 at Ballymun Kickhams. As I expected, since the 16/41 stop at the airport is at capacity, the 19 will use the Bus Eireann stop at zone 13 instead.

The first 19 to the airport is at 03:30 and it arrives at the and airport at 04:19. A lot of airport staff start at 04:00 so it's a shame there isn't an earlier departure.

LXFlyer · 14-01-2025 11:48AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123053937#Comment_123053937

Re the additional stop, new stops that are added aren’t being added to pre-existing routes, but only to BusConnects routes.

That’s been standard all along the way so far.

An 03:00 outbound departure would be sensible.

The inbound 19 probably starts too early and finishes too early (03:30 to 23:30).

Starting inbound at 04:30 and finishing at 00:30 or even later would be better.

Send them an email (info@nationaltransport.ie)

VG31 · 14-01-2025 12:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123053976#Comment_123053976

I'm aware of that but it doesn't seem like a good approach considering how long BusConnects is taking to implement. If it was being rolled out quickly it wouldn't matter as much.

I agree on the 19 times. I can't see there being much demand at 03:30 from the airport. No flights arrive at that time and barely any staff would finish around then.

smilgy · 14-01-2025 12:24PM

Apologies as this is probably not the best thread to post in, but does anyone have some background/history to the 7E bus route? I'm mostly just curious. I saw it on the timetable the other day, and had a loook. It runs from 05.20 from Dalkey Monday to Friday only and does an unusual dog leg to Shankil, before resuming normal operations. Is it a route just to move the bus or something?

https://bustimes.org/services/7e-mountjoy-square-via-garage-dalkey

LXFlyer · 14-01-2025 12:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123054101#Comment_123054101

It’s what they call a “ghost”.

Historically there were a lot of early buses that took unusual routings to bring drivers into the depots and most were not available to the public.

That’s one of them that was normalised into public service.

thomasj · 14-01-2025 12:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123053936#Comment_123053936

Thats a horrendous timetable for NCR. For somewhere thats meant to be getting an 8-minute-frequency, its like NCR was the last thought on the minds of the NTA board and its going to do nothing to appease those in the camp looking to retain the 46A.

I can see the politicians who have been pushing to retain the 46A to come back to this . i cant see that being the end product for sure.

Gonna be increased pressure on the 39A on Prussia Street too no doubt.

smilgy · 14-01-2025 12:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123054113#Comment_123054113

Thanks! Thats my curiosity settled.

LXFlyer · 14-01-2025 12:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123054137#Comment_123054137

It’s solvable by adding some additional extra works departures from Phoenix Park on the 11b.

There ought to be some scope to use existing universals on other routes that “call control” when they arrive into the city centre.

thomasj · 14-01-2025 01:03PM

Thats a good point. Donnybrook would be good for that . It's routes that end in the city send them out to infirmary road and run inbound if possible.

Likewise with Broadstone/phibsboro routes that end in Belfield and vice versa when they're starting. Again if possible.

StreetLight · 14-01-2025 01:11PM

Users of the 19 to the Airport are going to have to be careful to observe the destination signs on buses. The NTA don't do suffixed route numbers, so there's nothing to differentiate in the route number between a 19 to the Airport and a 19 to Wadelai only.

stephenjmcd · 14-01-2025 01:14PM

From my own perspective E1 timetable is an awful lot better than expected. Extra workings to Parnell square giving a service every 4 minutes through Bray at peak hours. It'll be a brilliant increase in service.

Likewise outbound in the evening every 4 minutes.

Combined with E2, it'll be extremely frequent on the spine

LXFlyer · 14-01-2025 01:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123054246#Comment_123054246

It’s the same with the extra works on the E1 in the mornings. People will need to look at the destination board - that’s going to be confusing!

p_haugh · 14-01-2025 01:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123054143#Comment_123054143

To add to what @LXFlyer mentioned. It used to be on the 7d timetable with its alternate routing. I think it was only last year that it was given a seperate route number

bikeman1 · 14-01-2025 01:41PM

It’s great to see the E Spine times up and listed. Lots of buses for both sides of the city. The 24 hour nature will be brilliant for this core route on the Southside. It will further relieve pressure on taxis.

We have another two routes 24 hours now on the Northside. And the 19 is nearly as good as 24 hours.

The running times look good enough too, not too much slack when it is quiet, but enough at the peak.

And FINALLY a bus service into the ever growing Northwood.

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