Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Please note that it is not permitted to have referral links posted in your signature. Keep these links contained in the appropriate forum. Thank you.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2055940817/signature-rules

Dacia Jogger - cheap 7 seater or bad value?

124

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,746 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    The ROTR is not the issue. Drivers already on the motorway need to adhere to the speed limit and 2 second rule as per the ROTR. That's a 66 metre gap @ 120 km/h while the average car is 4-6 metres long. So there's generally no need for more accommodation - unless the merger is driving something very slow and/or large like an artic or 45 bhp Dacia Spring

    There is fault on both sides when it comes to merging conflicts but more so on the part of mergers IME. Many will not bother accelerating enough, don't check their mirrors and blindspots and will try to barge in. This could be why idiots think that 190 bhp isn't enough to merge safely. Maybe he thinks his big scary sounding diesel engine will explode if he revs it past 2000 rpm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    No Joggers available for test drive, the only one there was sold, the salesman said they can't keep them in stock, whether that's a supply issue or not I didn't ask. They have my name down for a test drive, so hopefully in a week or two I'll get a spin.

    Looking at the Sandero, Duster interiors, I'd have no problem using these as my daily cars and I love the simplicity of the base models, it's just a bit mad they didn't put in dedicated radio controls or screen just for the radio, just something basic.

    I didn't mind the jogger interior either when I sat in the Brothers rental.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    I'm driving a 1.0l 3cyl 120 Hp now in the Cee'd and it it more than adequate for a daily run-a-bout family car.

    The Cee'd has 172 Nm torque and the Jogger 1.0L has 200Nm so I'm assuming it will be just as adequate even with a few passengers and crap in the boot.

    The only thing I don't like is the turbo lag in these engines, when I was looking for a car for my Sister, I test drove a 1.4L Opel Corsa and it was much nicer to drive, 4 cyl and no turbo lag. Granted while it may have been only 90? Hp it just felt better, it probably would have run out of steam earlier at higher speeds though.

    Anyway, with speed limits coming down this year in more places there's no point having faster cars which risk getting points.

    I remember driving the MK I Caddy 1.9 NA diesel and with a roof rack and ladders would hardly get beyond 60 Mph and it took a fair while to get to 60. Climbing the Wicklow hills regularly in it was fun, as the saying goes, better driving a slow car fast than a fast car slow. I then remember getting into the 90 Hp TDI Caddy and it felt like a rocket, that was a great engine, code ALH.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    I drove the 1.3 CTDI in the Combo van, it wasn't bad to be honest, it was 75 Hp, it was very economical in the van , probably even better in the Astra and Corsa.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭Luna84
    Mentally Insane User


    102bhp and 200nm torque

    The 1 litre in the jogger is actually 110bhp.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,241 ✭✭✭creedp


    Agree its not written in law but I like to drive with due consideration for others. If I see a car coming down a ramp with no gaps in traffic I'll check rear view mirror and if safe ease off slightly to create a bigger gap in front of me.

    Otherwise how is someone able to join a motorway safely in heavy traffic without having to slow up on ramp, which creates its own potential problems. I'm not having a go at you btw but what really grinds my gears is reading posts saying people should accelerate down the entry ramp and magically join the motorway irrespective of how heavy the traffic is

    Sometimes reality does not match utopian fantasy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,241 ✭✭✭creedp


    But if the driver behind is rigidity sticking to this magic gap they will have to ease off to accommodate the car joining in front of them unless I'm missing something



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭photosmart


    Interesting that there seem to be few new Joggers. If they were that popular I think the

    second hand values would be holding up better. 2022 Joggers with average mileage are around 18k for mid spec, this is 10k

    depreciation over 3 years which is a lot given its from a low base. Also it means that trade in values are probably poor (say 2 - 3k less than they are being sold at)

    I haven't traded mine so I don't know what the exact figures are but they seem to depreciate faster than the Dusters and Sandero etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,319 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I think it's quite niche for a variety of reasons



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    "I wouldn't worry about politics when choosing a car."

    I don't either except when it directly relates to grossly over priced cars, I'm not going to be the one paying for other countries poor political decisions and paying tax on it.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    THe Dacia Sandero came 13th in 2024 sales, that's not too shabby to be honest considering the QASHQAI came 16th and the T-Roc 15th.

    The Jogger came 62nd the id3 came 60th and the Enyaq came 65th.

    Interestingly there's only 1 VW, the Tiguan that came in the top ten at 6th which is surprising considering the cheapest one is 51.2 K on the road.

    The local sales man said it's hard to keep the jogger in stock so judging by the sales numbers I'd assume there could be a supply issue.

    Oh actually beside the jogger sales it shows a -45% sales decrease for 2024 but many models are similar if not worse.

    Enyak - 57.4

    Interesting a small car like the Fabia is + 43%

    ID4 -48%

    Octavia +75% seems like people might be going back to hatchbacks ?

    Duster - 22%

    Model y -42.3%

    Kuga -21%

    https://stats.beepbeep.ie/

    Post edited by Mad_Lad on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    https://www.focus2move.com/europe-best-selling-cars/#:~:text=Considering%20data%20up%20to%20October,cumulative%20sales%20(%2B10.4%25).

    Interesting , the Sandero was Europe's best selling car in 2024, the Clio 2nd Golf 3rd place, I would have assumed SUV/Crossovers would have been the top selling but thankfully not.

    I'm finding it hard to find where the Jogger sits, not even chatgpt can help me lol.

    While I was looking for a spin in the Jogger, I had a look at the Sandero, it's pretty decent inside to be honest but I don't get why they didn't have a proper layout for the radio instead of a hole for a phone on the dash for the basic version, that bugs me because the basic version would be all the kit I need in a car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Cars in general are far too over powered now in Europe, due to the refinement of many cars today many people refuse to obey the speed limits because they feel as if they're not moving at 80-100 Km/h and why the 50 Km/h limit is mostly ignored, because people have no clue how fast they're actually going or how fast they're getting there these days in much heavier cars than back in the 00s especially EV with their sheer weight and instant torque, people of all powertrains speeding on roads not fit for 50 Km/h all around where I live and it's unacceptable and it's all ages, Male and Female.

    It's only when I got on a motorbike last year for the first time did I realise how fast 80 Km/h actually is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,319 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Some here

    Rank

    Make

    2024 Units

    2023 Units

    % Change

    2024 % Share

    2023 % Share

    62

    DACIA

    DACIA

    JOGGER

    550

    1,006

    −45.33%

    0.45%

    0.82%

    Maybe look to UK for indicative sales figures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    I never spotted in simi data jogger sales down 45% but that's the case with a good few models,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,000 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Same as it ever was, if the deal doesn't suit you walk away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Well, I was persuaded to actually look at one and take a test drive. Now I was looking at the hybrid 1.6 litre one with a few goodies like rear view camera, and auto box.

    Now climbing into the rear two seats was a challenge, and they do take nearly the whole boot when deployed, and half of it when folded away. So you can forget getting furniture from Ikea.

    Driving the car was good with steering as it should be. Engine power was OK, but test was limited a bit. I would need it for a week to be fully satisfied, but it is certainly a maybe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,319 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    You can take out the seats for IKEA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,000 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    How much was the quoted for the OTR price of the version you drove ?



  • Advertisement
  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    I think €33 k with 3 year hp with 0% interest, and 50% deposit or trade in. Did not pay much attention because did not expect to like it.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,000 ✭✭✭✭elperello




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    I'm still waiting on a test drive from the Carlow dealer. I don't know if I'll get to bring her on the M9, might do Dacia dealer to M9 Heading for Castledermot then at the M9 Junction head south For Tinryland and back in the Enniscorthy/Carlow road back to town. That would be a decent spin. Kind of sorry I didn't take the rental Jogger the Brother had when he was here.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    The hybrid has a 1.6l engine as well as the electric one. The 1.0l engine is quite underpowered I would think, and that is quite a difference.

    There was a touch of the 'slam' rather than the 'clunk' when closing the door, but apart from that did not look cheap. The screen does look like an after-thought though. There is a strong upselling element too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    I'm driving a 1.0L 3 cyl 120 Hp car now, granted it's smaller and lighter but I actually enjoy it a lot, it's not fast either but fast enough for a family hatch, it's got decent torque once the turbo spools up but I'd rather a 1.8l petrol without a turbo and lag, but that's the way it is now. It did surprise me how the little 1.0l is able to pull me up decent size hills without much fuss.

    Mazda still make very good petrols, but they're expensive.

    Not sure I'd pay 5,500 more for the hybrid to be honest and it's got that absolutely horrible CVT box and CVT are bad enough at the best of times but the experience is even worse with lower powered engines, the hybrid setup isn't that powerful @145 Hp , if there was a sort of fixed gear ratio setup it might not be so bad like the last generation Audi Multitronics before they went Dual Clutch, not sure that would be possible with a Hybrid with the leccy motor in the mix.

    Kawasaki make a hybrod motorcycle and it has proper manual gearbox too giving a more normal riding experience, even with the electric motor, you still get manual gears in EV mode.

    The RRP of the basic Jogger is 26,090 and the Hybrid is 31,600, not a hope in hell I'd pay that much extra for the Hybrid, for what ? 30 odd more Hp and a crappy CVT ? no way !

    I'm actually looking forward to the test drive now.

    I drove far slower yokes in my day, diesel vans that could hardly get above 100 Km/h with roof rack and ladders and took maybe 20 seconds to get to 55 Mph ffs, lol. and the older I get I couldn't care less about power and 0-100 times. Now-a-days I just want cheap A to B transport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 brogiebears


    Have a Jogger for the past 2 years, 1 litre engine. Engine is fine - often drive it on Eco mode, on full power its pokey. Remember the car is 1200kg so light. Have driven it fully loaded with 4 bikes on the roof.

    We needed a car that could fit 3 car seats across the middle, most of the others can't outside of the 5008. They were 50k new, or 35k for a 4 year old. The jogger was 28k with a 5 year warranty. Given previous history with car reliability this was a deal maker for me.

    Its got everything you need, and unlike previous Dacia's (which I've test driven) doesn't feel too basic - climate control, sensors front and back, wired apple CarPlay. It's bright and airy inside which is nice. It could do with some more sound insulation. On the discussion of value dropping, if I paid 50k, after 5 years I'd be lucky to get 28k as a trade in. I reckon the jogger won't drop that much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Thanks for the info, didn't know it was that light, should make a difference alright, My Kia Cee'd 1.0l is 1300 Kg I think strange that the Jogger is a bit lighter.

    Thanks for confirming, yeah I had a good idea the engine in the Jogger would be fine considering I drive a 1.0L Turbo, it has 8 more Hp so not going to make much of a difference, these little 1.0L Turbo engines have a decent amount of torque.

    All the kit I need at the end of the day is AC, Electric windows and mirrors and rear parking sensors. Don't want or need anything else. It's a car at the end of the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,210 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Did you buy the Dacia in the end OP ?

    I'm looking to do something similar.

    The 161 Citroen Grand C4 is getting to the stage where we are wondering if putting more money into it is the best option.

    Even though I've good credit I don't want a big long loan or get into any PCP infinite loop.

    Plus to us a car is a car, don't care for styling or the look and feel, as long as it can do what it's supposed to do.

    So we are looking at trading the C4 for a Jogger 2022 and later.

    Is it a good idea?



  • Advertisement
  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    No, I did not change my car, but I know someone who bought the Jogger hybrid and is very happy with it. Went for PCP with 0% interest but 50% deposit. Sold their old car privately at a good price(a lot more than the dealer was offering) so is happy out. Only had it a few weeks though.

    I think it is a good car and looks smart and - most important - has 7 seats. Now it has rear view camera and is quite well equipped.

    I think €35 k is a lot, but it is as cheap a 7 seater on the market new, and three or more year older before the competition is cheaper.

    If I was determined to buy, I would look at the Tiguan Allspace or the Skoda Karoq or the Seat Terraco but they hide the prices too well, and their are not many 2nd hand. Also, I do not like the VW marketing approach very much.

    €50 grand is too much, so will stick with the Tiguan I have for the moment. €15 grand is a lot to find to better the Dacia Jogger.



Advertisement