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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,458 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Take the E1 or E2 and switch to the 4 on D'olier street or Nassau street most likely or switch to dart



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,810 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    You forgot the 7, 7a and 9 which all continue to operate.

    Op - Take the E1, E2 or 9 and then change to any of the 4, 7 or 7a at D'Olier Street/O'Connell Bridge or Nassau Street.

    On the return journey, change at Aston Quay/Westmoreland Street from the 4 or at Upper O'Connell Street from the 7/7a.

    The NTA journey planner should be updated in the next few days, and you'll be able to plot some sample journeys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭TheRedDevil10


    Thanks, so direct route gone permanently?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,049 ✭✭✭thomasj


    The 19 will leave you within a short walking distance of Northumberland road when it becomes the full terminus in April. Its terminus will be on Merrion square which should be a 5-10 minute walk. For now the occasional peak hour 19 will go to Merrion square.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,810 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Yes it is.

    With the redesigned bus network there are going to be a lot of people who will lose direct cross-city links and will have to connect instead.

    The E1/E2 will leave you to Morehampton Road in Donnybrook if that walk isn't too taxing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,259 ✭✭✭Daith


    Tbh, you're probably not that far off walking distance (if you can), but you'd need to connect otherwise.

    Or unless the residents of Wadelai Road want a direct connection as they don't do connections :P



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 120 ✭✭Chopper Dave


    Just looking at the timetables for the E1 and E1, they seem to run every 8 minutes at peak hours but every 10 minutes for most of the day thereafter. The current 46A is every 8 minutes from around 8am until 7pm and all services (including 145 etc) are extremely congested along the N11 at Peak times. The new timetable therefore doesn't seem to be much of an improvement unless I'm missing something.

    Also the 24 hour element is quite disappointing particularly at weekend. "Approx every 1 hour" is what the timetable says which is quite infrequent and very vague.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,810 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    They aren’t the timetables, only frequency guides.

    Dublin Bus will publish timetables next week I would expect, and full stop by stop timetables should be available on www.bustimes.org once the NTA update the journey planner.

    As far as I’m aware, the E1 and E2 will each be hourly overnight, offering a half-hourly service along the core part of the Spine.

    Yes, it is a drop in frequency off-peak on the N11. Peak frequency comparison is more difficult as there are extra works in the current service that feed in along the routes, and I’m yet to ascertain whether they will continue to operate or not.

    The service has to ramp up early enough in the afternoon to deal with the substantial schools traffic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,458 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Also valid yeah, didn't think outside of the 4 as that was the mentioned route



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,810 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,458 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Open to correction here but I believe someone posted a few months ago that there was to be short workings from woodbrook to parnell square during peak hours on E1 anyway.

    Should also have the E9 brides glen to UCD which should have 6 minute frequency during peak hours which was on the original frequency guides. Doesn't appear to be on the one currently on the TFI page



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    The E spine looks to have "approx 1 hour frequency" overnight and into the early hours, when the original timetable showed a 20 min frequency at worst, for all services across the 24 hours.

    Is the downgrade to 60+ mins frequency simply down to driver shortage?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,810 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    I think that we need to move on from that your last comment tbh. Every other radial in the plan goes a short distance cross-city or finishes adjacent to O’Connell Bridge.

    The 19 & 48 are the only two routes that didn’t and that frankly was a mistake on the part of the NTA. Parnell Square was a daft location for them from the outset.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,458 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    The Spine itself is every 30 mins at night. If your heading to Bray or Dun Laoighre past foxrock then it's every hour past there where the E1 & 2 branch off

    I wouldn't be surprised if after a while if demand levels are high for the 24hr service that like other routes we see non timetabled short workings at weekend nighttime or an eventual increase in frequency.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Thanks.

    Yes, I was thinking same.

    Providing the E1 and E2 are staggered, so we see the approx 30 min frequency to Foxrock and not both routes converging at Foxrock at the same time, every approx 60 mins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,810 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    That was me but I’ve not seen confirmation of it yet.

    They’d likely be universals and would be additional to the base frequency.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,810 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    It never showed a 20 min frequency overnight for the E Spine.

    The overnight services were not in the original frequency guide (still on the BusConnects website), and those frequencies are only being published as each spine launches.

    An hourly overnight service on each route is what was published in October.

    The E1 and E2 are being scheduled to deliver even headways along the core spine, so that does mean a 30 minute frequency overnight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,259 ✭✭✭Daith


    As you pointed out just a few posts back, in a network redesign lots of people will lose out on a direct connection.

    I think in that context, pointing out (very light heartedly) that some residents absolutley did not want to lose a direct connection to the southside and be told to simply "change at Parnell" and did succeed in getting that changed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,689 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    the 7N, 46N and 84N will continue to run on the weekends (I assume these will be renumbered and possibly re-organised at a later date)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭TranslatorPS


    Re: the E2 extension, I don't think it would have made that much of a difference – in the October draft timetables, every E2 went empty to Harristown and came back out empty anyway. They were given 15 minutes each way for that empty run, which I think would be generous even in revenue service (I imagine poor traffic lights would be the only thing to make that Harristown/IKEA section take longer than 7-8' in service). The 19 being extended to Merrion Square is much more of a planning kicker – the terminus handovers will now have to become en-route handovers and the extension will have to be covered with more drivers than what tightening up the turnaround times would otherwise leave us with.

    In fact, given the difference in what I expect to be the running time between Harristown and IKEA and the generous empty run times, a good enough scheduler would be able to reallocate the working hours to the Merrion Square extension with very little effect on the overall crew numbers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,049 ✭✭✭thomasj


    And the 39A is still around as well (for now) so will be 4 buses an hour at night for people going between Donnybrook and Belfield.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,810 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Yes but I did include the words “cross-city” and by that I meant beyond the city centre area.

    To be fair the people who will need to change under the plan are in general going beyond the city centre and that was actually made clear to the NTA by Leo Varadkar when he was Taoiseach - people who had a direct bus to the city should continue to do so - stopping buses short of the city centre (which I’d define as O’Connell Bridge in the context of the bus network) was stupid to say the least.

    That’s the context of my post.

    But lightheartedness noted! :-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,458 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    I'd assumed they'd continue to run for the moment given they cover areas not impacted by phase 6a. 84n for example to Greystones so that'll give the E1 some additional capacity and departures into Bray for example



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,049 ✭✭✭thomasj


    7n and 84n covers the Rock Road so they will be around at least until the B spine is introduced next year

    Ditto with the 46n and the A spine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,937 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I suppose the 19 going out to Merrion Square permanently from April will take some pressure off the 16 when going between Dublin Airport & Westmoreland St. The same argument could be applied when passengers are taking the 700 between the Airport & Merrion Square.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,259 ✭✭✭Daith


    Agree that the 19 from Merrion to the Airport will suit people a fair bit. Not the most optimal route but cheap and you can use the 90 min fare.

    Some 19 routes are supposed to start at St Pappins apparently. Are they terminating there too because that could be confusing for people looking to get to the Airport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 486 ✭✭ITV2


    Having a look at the up-dated scrolls on my bus today the E9 route is now gone, but universals from Jamestown garage will operate at peak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Even when the A spine launches, the 46n would surely still be required for the Cabinteely→Carrickmines→Stepaside→Balinteer section. And it will provide extra weekends capacity along the core section of the E-spine on the N11 as well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 oliver_murray


    The issue is then the lack of connectivity with Clondalkin. A lot of people in Newcastle are originally from Clondalkin or have good ties there and many elderly use the connection. Personally I feel if it's half the route of the 68 then the L56 should be half hourly during peak times.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,049 ✭✭✭thomasj


    Oh I agree. If it only went saggart to Newcastle I would say every 20 minutes .

    Its a pity the W6 can't go through Clondalkin on the way to Tallaght , would make it easier.



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