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Rory Gallagher - A dismissed case that was dealt with and brought to attention? Mod Note in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭bcklschaps


    Read the whole article. Jarlath Burns has done more than get himself into an embarrassing situation, he's got himself into a resignation level situation. In a PR stunt to impress feminists he has made a fool of himself and shown very poor judgement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Gallagher hasn't sued any of the media outlets that repeated his wife's story.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/if-my-story-helps-one-woman-or-man-then-it-will-have-been-worth-it-nicola-gallagher-on-domestic-abuse-claims/a1936363625.html

    If he didn't sue them, there is no chance of him suing Jarlath Burns.

    He wasn't found innocent in court, the allegations never went to court.

    Rory Gallagher's biggest problem is the most people don't believe him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭fatherted1969


    While I'd have no interest in wanting Gallagher around my club given his history I find it incredible that there's a player awaiting a trial on a murder charge that doesn't garner an ounce of outrage. Second person awaiting trial too, I'm unsure if he's still playing though

    Trial starts in the coming weeks I believe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Don't know who the player is you are talking about.

    Nevertheless, there is also a difference between an ordinary player and a person in authority. Higher standards expected and required of a person in authority. If that is the difference between Gallagher and Hayes and others, I can understand Burns' position in relation to that. Hayes shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the management or coaching of any GAA team, senior or underage.

    To a certain extent, those who have committed criminal or other violent acts whether guilty or not, should be given another chance in society if they genuinely are atoning for that act(s). That second chance should be at an entry level. However, they should not be in a position of authority of others until there is clear long-term evidence that they are a changed person. Given that we have seen no such acknowledgement from Gallagher, and that there is no evidence at all of such change, even in the short-term, he should not be anywhere near a GAA team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,110 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    Media are allowed repot "alleged" offences.

    If for example they reported that Gallagher definitely did commit domestic abuse despite him not being convicted well then that'd be a different matter and they would be open to litigation.

    Burns could be in bother but it'll all depend on the wording of his communications with the club.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I doubt it very much. His comments appear to be limited to that it doesn't look good for the GAA to have an alleged wifebeater coaching in a club. That is fair comment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 655 ✭✭✭Treble double


    Burns has been a good president, but he has over reached here. He can't be everything to everyone, which he seems to want to be. I don't think he has done anything that will leave him open to a lawsuit, but he should learn a lesson from this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    It would be bad for the GAA to have Gallagher involved anywhere even remotely high profile again so I don't really have a problem with him conveying his opinion to Naas (who were essentially free to ignore him I believe).

    The GAA in general should have put more pressure on Limerick to sideline Hayes at least for a while IMO



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,975 ✭✭✭Suckler


    I would agree with this; Gallagher is posturing with the legal route threat and, I suspect, if he went through with it, the allegations against him would be brought back in to the spotlight. So could well end up as shooting himself in the foot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,288 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    Kyle Hayes found guilty by a jury.. gallagher has been found guilty of nothing… remember innocent til proven guilty…

    wonder will Burns issue a letter to the club of the Armagh player involved in the incident on the team holiday and basically instruct them not to play said player even though he hasnt been found guilty of anything… did he send a letter to John Kiely and the Limerick county board about Kyle Hayes.. if the answer is no to both of those.. then he should stay out of Naas business..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭lmk123


    to be quite honest it makes no difference to me whether that scumbag was taken to court or not there’s enough in what the wife said to convince me, that’s all he keeps repeating, why doesn’t he sue his ex-wife for defamation if the allegations are wrong. I bet he won’t sue Burns either. Kyle Hayes was completely wrong and I haven’t / wouldn’t defend him for a second, I just couldn’t put a one off assault on another man in the same bracket as what Gallaghers wife went through. McGregor wasn’t brought to court by the DPP either, does / did that make him innocent. I’m no snowflake trying to sound holier than thou, I just think it’s sickening the almost daily news reports on attacks etc. on women by cowardly f***ers, I personally think anyone found guilty of those attacks should be castrated / hung or shot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    I am sorry but your casual dismissal of a man attacking a man as men will be men is disgusting I bet you wouldn't be that flippant if you were talking to a victim of such a crime. It's almost like your saying stop been dramatic and get on with it.

    This is not to dimish any crime on women.

    The ferocity and casualty Kyle Hayes attacked that man I would not be surprised if he has been in other fight that gave been hushed up

    As for McGregor he is innocent criminally but has been found against in a civil case

    Edit I said Kiely when I should have said Kyle Hayes

    Post edited by martingriff on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It says a lot that Gallagher hasn't sued anyone yet, he knows, you know, and we all know that he will likely lose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I have previously pointed this out, but I will repeat it in a different way.

    There is a huge difference between allowing a man who has committed a crime or done wrong rehabilitating himself through participation in sport as a community activity as a participant, and putting that man in a position of authority over others.

    I draw a clear distinction between the two. I would have no problem with Gallagher participating as an individual in a Masters team and learning a little about empathy with others, but he should never be allowed coach or manage a team, certainly not until he shows some kind of self-knowledge and repentance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭lmk123


    yeah I dismissed it that’s exactly what I said 🤦‍♂️ my god. Also I wasn’t aware Kiely attacked anyone, if you have evidence of this you should report him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭lmk123


    couldn’t agree more, can’t figure out this crack of defending him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Wait you aren't aware he attacked anyone are you serious. Or do you call an assault on a man as nothing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭lmk123


    no I’m genuinely not aware that Kiely assaulted anyone, could you post a link or something to it please, this is all news to me. Can’t wait to read it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,339 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    I am on a phone but Google is your friend out in Limerick with 2 others

    Edit I meant Kyle Hayes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,609 ✭✭✭Mal-Adjusted


    Ah lads, come on and read the post ffs



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,072 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Anyone know how Gallagher got custody of his three kids?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭lmk123


    Mod Edit

    Warning issued.

    Post edited by ShamoBuc on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,717 ✭✭✭celt262


    Whatever about that you would wonder how he would have time to mind them with working full time and then out several nights a week coaching.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,072 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Indeed. Maybe his family look after them when he's working. I was just wondering how he got custody of them over their mother. That's unusual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,426 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    What club (with all the reports of him being a wife beater) would want to be associated with this thug? Are GAA clubs that hard-up for coaches?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    I think part of the problem with Burns intervention is the inconsistency of it- off the top of my head, in recent years/ currently we have:

    Niall Gilligan of sixmilebridge accused of serious assault on a 12 year old boy. Gilligan has been a selector there though it’s unclear if he still has that role post charge.

    Kyle Hayes in Limerick convicted of serious assault. The Limerick team manager provided a character reference for him that presumably influenced the severity of sentence. The same lad has subsequently been convicted of dangerous driving. Hayes continues to play for Limerick.


    two of Hayes brothers were recently convicted of a savage assault on a man. Testimonials for one of the two included his GAA club where he captains the junior B team (captains not captained btw)


    in 2021two Kerry footballers had convictions for savagely assaulting an innocent man overturned - their barrister called them role models at the appeal and they received several positive testimonials. Ronan Buckley continues to play for Kerry

    Dublins Diarmuid Connolly twice pled guilty to assault (2014 and 2024). After the 2014 incident Connolly continued to play for Dublin

    I could go on but the lax attitude of the GAA top brass to violence and criminality, coupled with the willingness of GAA figures to give testimonials kind of makes a farce of Burns new found sense of virtue. It’s particularly laughable for Burns to talk about the “…values we uphold and standards we set" in light of the above

    The allegations against Gallagher may very well have some or even complete truth. However Burns willingness to get involved here in a case where Gallagher is at least entitled to an initial presumption of innocence stands in pretty stark contrast to the GAAs utter silence and even endorsement of individuals found guilty of serious violent offences.

    Post edited by tritium on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,072 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Of all of those mentioned by you, only the selector (and you don't know whether he is still a selector) and the captain fall into categories I believe similar to Gallagher.

    Hayes, Connolly, Buckley are not in positions of authority, they are only ordinary players, partaking in an amateur sport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,059 ✭✭✭AdrianG08


    Why did the GAA not have an issue with Gallagher training the club in Monaghan last year? But all of a sudden Naas are being contacted not to have him near the place?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Burns is doing this to position himself as a future political candidate, probably Seanad or President.It's completely self serving and cynical by him, same reason he went on his quasi political speech after one of the all irelands last year.

    I think Gallagher is a scumbag and i wouldn't want him involved in my club so I feel no sympathy for him but Burns doesn't deserve any credit for speaking on this although a lot of the idiots on twitter are falling for it.

    The reason he intervened in this case only is that in the eyes of a lot of the twitter mob (which are largely women in this case),accusations of assaulting a woman are the worst crime of all, you could shoot 10 men dead and it would be less of a crime than assaulting a woman according to the mobs on twitter.So you have to care more about this than other scumbag behaviour to appease the twitter mob.

    BTW I think assaulting a woman is amongst the lowest of the low, just in case people think I'm making excuses for that type of behaviour.



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