Senior ministers concerned about effects of Occupied Territories Bill.

Yeah yeah, the sky will fall on our head too.

Listen to the fear mongering. Fairytales.

I just can't understand this mindset.

It's much much better than taking the cowardly way and saying nothing which to me is as much as backing their genocide.

I have never met and Israeli or Palestinian, am ignorant of Judaism or Islam, could barely tell you the difference and couldn't care less. At least I know I'm ignorant tho, yet the sleuths on here who know less than I do feel qualified to tell how the world really works.

I've seen loads of posts from people here who defend Israels conduct rife with calling Palestinians/ Muslims barbaric, terrorist or terrorist supporters, telling us how they hate us all and want us dead, they are invading Europe etc etc. loads of posts portray them as the enemy or inhuman - just like was done to us. It just comes across as blind ignorant hatred and they seem to use any excuse to justify this war.

I obviously knew about the Israel Hamas war, October 7th etc, but personally took more notice of it as I saw a video about 3-4 months ago showing two little girls (2-4 years old) being carried onto a hospital bed in Gaza by two lads. They were dead, one was missing the top of her head, just above the eyes. The other little corpse was in terrible state too. They were the same age as my daughters, same hair colour and build, had v similar clothes on. They looked strikingly similar and all I saw was them.

It shook me then and I'm still shook thinking about it and that is just one incident of these horrible attacks on civilians. You c**ts can all stick your "virtue signalling" jibes up your hole. I donate a small % of my hard earned money to help the people there and fully support the government for calling this out.

Irish Americans are a powerful force in US politics no matter the persuasion - we have a voice on the world stage.

Irish Americans are often more republican than people here - if their view is reframed to see Israel as akin to Britain, and Palestine as akin to Ireland as many here do, that is a threat to Israel as our peoples influence in American business and politics is enormous. That is why Ireland CAN make a difference here in stopping the slaughter and I've no problem with us making a stand if it can bring peace.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/daniel-mulhall-israel-s-decision-to-shut-its-dublin-embassy-is-a-bad-day-for-diplomacy/ar-AA1we21t?ocid=Peregrine&apiversion=v2&noservercache=1&domshim=1&renderwebcomponents=1&wcseo=1&batchservertelemetry=1&noservertelemetry=1

Just listen to Dan Mulhall, a distinguished former diplomat who knows far more than you and I do.

"In the months ahead, we will be best served by doing what we do as part of concerted EU action and not making ourselves too much of a target for retaliatory measures.

Our litmus test should be ‘what can we actually achieve’ weighed against potentially adverse consequences for our vital relations with the US."

"Both countries have now said their piece, and the priority should be to calm things down and de-escalate the situation."

He puts it much better than I do, but the clear implication of what he is saying is that we should bin the OTB. I really can't understand the mindset of people who would throw our prosperity away, all for the people of a country run by Hamas.

I think I will go with the experienced diplomat's views rather than yours, if that's ok with you.

Will you still be saying that when they shelve the OTB?

It is Gaza that is being bombed, isn't it?

I'll back our Government and anyone who calls our War Criminals. We also backed S. Africa's case with the ICJ which is great. I'd be disappointed if we stepped back from either because it is important to me to see justice done wherever and whenever it is being abused. I think of all those innocent children every day who are dying through no fault of their own. We can't be like all those German citizens who stayed quiet even though they knew what was going on in the Death Camps.

Maybe another reason not to do it again then.

When did Ireland learn about the holocaust and when did we stand idly by? What should we have done?

An idiotic argument given that we did exactly that in the case of the Rwanda genocide - which in a hundred days resulted in up to a million deaths and hundreds of thousands of rapes.

Also the mere fact that you use the word “genocide” for the conflict in Gaza, which has casualties figures nowhere even remotely close to those of Rwanda, is clear evidence of you applying a different set of standards for a conflict involving Israel to those involving other countries - and that is antisemitism as per the IHRA definition of antisemitism as adopted by the EU and every EU member state bar Ireland and Malta (which Israelis regard as being moderate).

Just in case anyone isn’t aware of it, Jews worldwide and Israelis in particular now regard Ireland as being rabidly antisemitic. Some even claim that Ireland may even be more antisemitic than most Arab countries.

The withdrawal of the Israeli ambassador wasn’t just out of pique but rather in direct response to that perception.

Ireland’s intervention in the ICJ case is regarded as a crude attempt by Ireland to have the definition of genocide changed so that the court can then convict on the basis of that new definition.

Needless to say the Israelis are of course aware that we made no effort whatsoever to condemn or sanction the US and the U.K. for committing “genocide” in the post-9/11 wars which, according to the Washington Post, resulted in 4.5 million civilian casualties (900,000 directly as a result of combat, 3.6 million indirectly due to disease resulting from damage to infrastructure such as water, sewage, food supply etc). And applying an entirely different standard for a conflict involving Israel to the ones applied for conflicts involving the US and the U.K. (or other countries) is clear antisemitism.

You must also have a problem with us intervening in the ICJ case against Russia, seeing as we made no effort to sanction the UK or US, it clearly is a case of Russian phobia rather than Ireland acting out of principle. Ps you don't speak for all Jews or Israelis,Kiteview:

The thread on Sudanese genocide titled as such has less than a dozen replies while there are a bunch of Israel related threads running to hundreds of pages

That’s proof right there that yourself and the left in Ireland are a bunch of virtue signalling hypocrites

Quite possibly also anti semitic, pro Islamist and even racist

Some genocides are more worthy of virtue signalling than others

It must be embarrassing to have all the talk of genocide exposed to be so hollow

Mod: Warned for soapboxing and spamultiple threads.

Everyone can see exactly why you started the other thread and no one is taking the bait.