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Tesla Talk

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,182 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    They have been nerfing prices for some time now. At some point you're going to have to realise that strategies that work for halo cars won't work in mass market. You can't buy a car in the family segment if you can't finance it, and finance companies often won't offer finance or lease if the market value keeps dropping. There's a whole lot of handbacks to happen this year of model Y purchased at 80k where the GFMV is significantly higher than retail. Same for model 3s towards the end of the year. At the end of the 3 year pcp cycle.

    Post edited by liamog on


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,497 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Same happening to early Polestar 2 buyers now. €20k in the difference to balances and values in some cases.

    He messed up the system with the significant price drops one after another.

    VW Group deliveries were also down in Q3, not sure for the year yet as they publish them quarterly now too.

    Is it a case that all brands are down? Or are some doing better nowadays compared to the legacies?

    Post edited by liamog on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,801 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    **** or get off the pot time for Tesla. 1.5 aging models was never going to keep the money rolling in forever. They need new models (not just refreshes) ASAP - but zero sign of this happening... And not much left to trim off the price either.

    Post edited by liamog on


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,497 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Current model 3 here for the next 3 years at least.

    Refresh Y at the end of the month. Another 3 years or so.

    At a time when all other brands are just refreshing too (ID4, i4, EV6 etc), I don’t think significant new models are due anytime soon from them.

    Post edited by liamog on


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,497 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Model 3 top selling BEV in Ireland for 2024, ID4 second and Model Y third.

    January sales will be interesting as most of the regional brands will hold the December cars for customers so it will give a good idea of the market for EVs I think. 💭

    Post edited by Gumbo on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭John arse




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,497 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I always write that instead of 2024! Stupid phone 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭John arse




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 963 ✭✭✭JOL1


    Tesla had their best ever quarter in terms of deliveries and that was achieved with people holding off ordering Model Y awaiting release of revised Mod Y in early 2025 I am not sure I agree with the "downward trend" label .



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,497 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I can’t see where they can decrease prices again. They are No. 1 and No. 3 best selling EV in Ireland in 2024. They don’t need to. Model Y best selling car in the world for 2 years running again.

    I don’t think they will. And I don’t think a small cheaper car will come out either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    They are on a brilliant roll, no doubt about it.

    Juniper sales will push MY up to #2 by the end of this year.

    Tesla doesn't need another car in the lineup - they have the best selling family saloon and the best selling SUV already - keep those two rolling forward with tweaks and feature evolution OTA and you have a winning formula for years into the future.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,497 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Bring back stalks, a HUD and I’d be sold.
    I dont mind the central screen. The HUD would be useful.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,890 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Stalks can be had for less than €300 now

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,497 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Agh I know. It’s trying to sell that to Joe soap. I keep relating it back to my parents. My mam loves the MY. But if I was trying to explain to her that we have to order stalks separate 😂

    Maybe I’d just ordered them and don’t tell her! Stick them in on delivery day!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭silvertimelinings


    It is becoming increasingly obvious that the Cybertruck was a poor choice for use of the precious time the Development team had available to them. It just isn't selling in the volumes they need. S, X, Semi and Cybertruck are doing little for the company.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,182 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    The S and X generate a lot higher profit margin and are halo cars. Marketing from the Plaid and from the Cybertruck merch and social media coverage is probably generating more purchases of 3 and Y than anything. It's not black and white.

    I agree, the cybertruck is looking a bad play, in hindsight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,833 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    The biggest problem with the Cybertruck (apart from the looks - imo 🤣) was the decision to make it from one of the most unworkable metals around. This made it extremely costly which put it outside the reach of a lot of potential buyers.

    And then all the ensuing problems with production, quality/safety issues and a design that makes it very hard to sell into Europe without significant changes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭silvertimelinings


    The Cybertruck will be Tesla's Ford Edsel or AMC Pacer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 808 ✭✭✭technocrat


    This ^^
    I might add USS too just to make it a great offering.

    Seems like a no brainer even if it adds 1 or 2k to the base price it would still be the market leader.

    The lack of stalks alone must be excluding a huge market of potential buyers me included!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭pah




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 808 ✭✭✭technocrat


    I haven’t but do plan to take one for a test drive.

    Have you?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,497 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I have, you get used to them quickly but that's during a routine test when you are focusing on them. Natural reactions still have you reaching with your hand to swipe them. If I bought one, I'd buy the aftermarket stalk kit!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,800 ✭✭✭893bet


    Good thing I am a real inconsiderate driver and barely used my indicators otherwise I would be worried about the change…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 808 ✭✭✭technocrat


    Yeah I have seen some vids on the ‘S3XY stalks’ and they look like a feasible option albeit not as good as OEM.

    I still think it’s a stupid move from Tesla and Musk been so pig headed is unlikely to re-instate stalks at some future date!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭pah


    Yeah, ordered last May after 2 test drives. stalks a non issue for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 808 ✭✭✭technocrat


    Fair enough.

    Most of the online reviews I’ve watched highlight the stalks issue and lack of ACTUAL buttons for turn signals.

    I’ll try out for myself in the next few weeks and report back here.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,890 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Stalkless is fine for day to day driving except for large roundabouts when you need to be keeping your eye on the road and not trying to figure out which button to press with your hands in motion, wheel in motion and wheel in varying directions.

    It's also difficult in tight car parks (or the like) for the same reasons

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Go ahead and do that, anything else is just second hand conjecture. In the meantime, welcome to the EV forum.

    I felt the indy buttons were kinda cool and not an issue on a test drive - albeit as Gumbo notes, somewhat of an artificial experience. I like the fact that Tesla are regularly switching it up - regardless of the reasons. It wasn't long ago that traditional drivers were aghast at a new manufacturer that arrived with a wheel and a screen, but now it's becoming more mainstream. Likewise a no app/card/fob charging network, cabin pre-heating, seamless charge-based route planning, accurate live traffic updates, Netflix/browser/games/media in your car, sub-15kwh/100km efficiency, yoke steering, programmable OBD, usable frunk, all-glass roof, 32A mobile charging.

    You know, the kind of stuff other manufacturers only offer for a premium, if they offer at all.

    I just can't afford one 😩



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭pah


    I actually find it's not really a problem for me on larger roundabouts but it can be a little more of an issue on the smaller ones. In my day to day commute I have zero issues but I can certainly appreciate that they are not ideal in some circumstances which I will encounter myself, but I like that it's different.

    When you refer to tight car parks do you mean the issue of shifting Forward & Reverse?



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,890 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Tight car parks can have quick left and right turns in quick succession with the wheel in constant full swing so not straighforward to be indicating when looking at the road and high kerbs. I have this exact scenario in work and just dont indicate, full right turn, immediate full left turn, immediate full right turn onto public side road with immediate full left and then full right turn, it's impossible to figure out the indicators with the steering wheel in constant fast motion.

    The forward and reverse dont bother me, I put left fingers on the top of the screen then use stable thumb to shift gear. I tried the auto shift once when I got the car and it got it wrong so I've never used it since

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