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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • #3962
    Mike Murdock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123012540#Comment_123012540

    No need to call them "elites", Nullzero. Call them what they are - Gombeens.



  • #3963
    suvigirl
    Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123014676#Comment_123014676

    There cannot be a figure out on the amount of people claiming asylum, as per the law, everyone is entitled to claim asylum. Not that 500 people a year can claim, everyone is entitled to claim.

    She merely stated what the law is, there is no cap, because the law states there is not.



  • #3964
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123014690#Comment_123014690

    I edited my response

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #3965
    Headshot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,089 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    https://gript.ie/majority-of-rough-sleepers-are-young-to-middle-aged-irish-men/

    This breaks my heart but at the at the same time I just feel so much anger by the complete unfairness of the system when these illegals start protesting outside the Dáil and get accommodation in record pace while the Irish are forgotten about. No doubt some are alcoholics/drug takers but that's no excuse to turn our back on them but here we have a government bending over backwards for the illegals but the people who need help the most are forgotten about.

    I hate trump with all my being but I cannot help thinking I would love an Ireland first policy to look after the Irish first



  • #3966
    suvigirl
    Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123015018#Comment_123015018

    What illegals?



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  • #3967
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Why don't the Government make public the figures on how many people who were served with deportation orders actually left the country?

    Or maybe they just don't know which is even more concerning.



  • #3968
    Headshot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,089 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123015075#Comment_123015075

    McEntee…….

    Need I say anymore?



  • #3969
    Leg End Reject
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 22,087 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Mod: This thread is about Ireland's Refugee policy, can you all please stop the 'illegal' rhetoric that has been explained numerous times?

    @Headshot, please do not derail the thread discussing Irish homeless people and Trump.

    https://forumofgames.com/



  • #3970
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Mod edit/note:

    @JP Liz V1

    you have been told a couple of times to include links when you share statements/facts.

    I deleted your post and I would advise you to think carefully before posting, because any more such instances will be ignoring mod instructions.

    Post edited by Irish Aris on


  • #3971
    RoyalCelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,577 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123014261#Comment_123014261

    And eventually bankruptcy especially with our aging population.

    Most EU are tightening up big time on their refugee policy. We'll be paddy last as usual and we'll pay dearly.



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  • #3972
    Stephen_Maturin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,894 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/2025/01/04/changes-to-the-asylum-system/


    IT publishing a letter that actually lays out the fact of what has gone on up to now, colour me shocked!
    They’ve done f all in terms of holding the govt to account on their immense failure on this issue so rather surprised to see them allow this letter in their paper. Good to see for once.



  • #3973
    rgossip30
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123014074#Comment_123014074

    Lawyers who argue for asylum seekers and left wing nuts are .



  • #3974
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    99% of refused asylum seekers are still in Ireland, which is ridiculous and shows what incompetence there is in both Departments, Justice and Integration

    More details here in the link including from Independent Ireland

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/refused-asylum-seekers-sent-home-33438660

    Is this suitable @Irish Aris ?



  • #3975
    rgossip30
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123014677#Comment_123014677

    You are incorrect !! ,read the Gibneys statement from the link .

    https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/06/05/you-should-think-more-about-crumlin-and-not-the-kremlin-five-takeaways-from-rtes-european-election-dublin-debate/

    "Sinead Gibney of the Social Democrats and Bríd Smith of People Before Profit, both articulated their unreconstructed view that there was no problem with the numbers of asylum seekers coming in at the moment."

    As the statement from the head of the GNIB in links posted earlier " most are economic migrants " with no right to be here or irregular migrants .Perhaps you might find that more palatable than illegals .The terminology does not change anything.

    Post edited by rgossip30 on


  • #3976
    Francie Barrett
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,350 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123014141#Comment_123014141

    I do blame her, I do blame the people that voted for her.

    I actually don't blame asylum seekers whatsoever. Asylum seekers are more than entitled to chance their arm.

    The failure comes from within, when the government acts as enablers for their false claims.

    Simon Harris, Michael Martin, Roderic O Gorman - these are the people I hold ultimately accountable.



  • #3977
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,869 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    In considering the costs of the removal of failed asylum seekers and illegal immigrants, the considerable expense arising from the continued presence in the State of persons who are the subject of deportation or removal orders has to be taken into account. These costs include social welfare costs, direct provision costs, and detention costs in certain cases. While it is important to keep deportation and removal costs to a minimum, not to remove persons refused permission to remain in the State would call into question the integrity of the entire immigration system. This would leave this country open to further illegal immigration and even more expense to taxpayers.

    A quote from a PQ response in 2012 when Alan Shatter was MoJ, posted a few pages back here. Interesting how in 12 short years such basic logic appears to have gone completely out the window all the way up to Ministerial level.



  • #3978
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123015413#Comment_123015413

    this is the statement I was arguing with originally

    Not to mention escaping climate change, escaping gay discrimination, gang warfare and of course just looking for a better life. Apparently we have no choice but to take in anyone who arrives into this small country claiming asylum has to be housed and even if refused asylum can just stay, tiny number of deportations.

    I fail to see where she said we have to take in everyone and let them statue the reasons above. Did I miss it?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #3979
    zell12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,756 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Minister confirms many 'illegals' in Ireland

    In addition to the enforced deportations and those that are otherwise confirmed to have left, we know that a much larger number of people will have left the State without being escorted. However, as there are no routine exit checks at Irish borders, it is not possible to accurately quantify this number. https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2024-09-25a.186&



  • #3980
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123015725#Comment_123015725

    no one is arguing there aren’t. People ARE arguing the definition of “illegal” being used.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #3981
    Mr. teddywinkles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123015446#Comment_123015446

    And yet they got voted in again. Its a strange strange country. As iv said multiple times. This wont come to a head until theres a massive downturn in the economy and the money dries up.

    Even then the loons will try keep the gravy train going.



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  • #3982
    rgossip30
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Deleted

    Post edited by rgossip30 on


  • #3983
    Bogey Lowenstein
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123015794#Comment_123015794

    I reckon the politicians and legacy media will try to blame Joe Public for the next recession just like the last one. Politicians seem to be lying through their teeth these days with no fear of reprisal.



  • #3984
    Mr. teddywinkles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123015815#Comment_123015815

    Im pretty sure the line " We all partied" will come out alright. When it wasn't us that done the partying



  • #3985
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,863 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123001186#Comment_123001186

    1.9bn to help lads from Nigeria get a better job



  • #3986
    rgossip30
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123015568#Comment_123015568

    This post does not mention Sinead Gibney but as I showed earlier in the Times link she did state that she had no problem with asylum seekers at present . You were incorrect to say she did not . We do take in anyone that claims asylum for many reasons including those mentioned in the post



  • #3987
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,869 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123015794#Comment_123015794

    To be fair, the party driving policy on this in Government for the past few years got absolutely shellacked at the last election. The new Government certainly won’t be of the same ilk.



  • #3988
    Mr. teddywinkles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123015935#Comment_123015935

    Granted choices are extremely poor anyways. I think the topmen n women losing their seats would be a start even if the same parties did get a majority would have sent the right message.

    How O'Gorman held his seat, ill never understand. Even mcEntee



  • #3989
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123015913#Comment_123015913

    see the quote. I was saying that was incorrect. I stand by it. She did not say everyone should be allowed stay. Again the post i objected too. I maintain the objection.

    Not to mention escaping climate change, escaping gay discrimination, gang warfare and of course just looking for a better life. Apparently we have no choice but to take in anyone who arrives into this small country claiming asylum has to be housed and even if refused asylum can just stay, tiny number of deportations.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #3990
    mrslancaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123015725#Comment_123015725

    Might be controversial, but IMO we could do with some type of entry & exit tax for every person travelling be it citizens, visitors, refugees or AS. It exists in other countries, we need a similar system. A low charge for travellers using air, sea, rail or road wound not be a huge financial burden on people and maybe the tax collected could be used to employ additional immigration officers. Before anyone jumps on me to say the thread is about refugees and not immigration, I believe that refugees and AS are part of immigration into our country, just with some different processes.
    A bit off topic but connected, we also need huge fines for unscrupulous employers who hire anyone that doesn’t have the necessary visa or permission to work here. If those dodgy employers stopped hiring illegal workers, the pull factor would reduce, IMO.



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  • #3991
    Patrick2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,395 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123016069#Comment_123016069

    That was my post and I stand by it. Do you not agree with the regular poster here who says that due to our international obligations and the 1951 Geneva convention we are obliged to take in and process anyone who arrives claiming asylum? A process that currently takes over a year. What do you think we should do with people who arrive here from say Nigeria claiming they lived in a dangerous area and Ireland was the safest place to get to?



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