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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,176 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Probably more to do with local building practices rather than BYD themselves, unless they were involved with its design during the build?

    Although, they have stepped in and located the effected people to hotels.

    Apple gets rocked by claims like this at least once a year!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,423 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Chinese sounding construction company name.

    We should do it here for house building



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    True, and I wouldn't a buy an Apple product as a result.

    These companies have responsibilities, there're allegations against Hyundai/Kia for slavery in their supply chain too, BYD not alone here, but it's easy to do the pr shite when you've been rumbled. Just imagine what happens inside China.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,992 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Given the workers passports were withheld it sounds like they were using migrant workers

    I agree that local labour practices enabled this, there have been similar cases in Brazil over the years

    Funny how making workers completely dependent on their employer without any ability for bargaining or workers rights can lead to corruption

    While it's tempting to point the finger at Irish construction workers, there's deeper issues here around planning laws, tenders and just a stunning lack of skilled workers

    People ask how nations like China can emabrk on massive construction projects while in Ireland we struggle to build a single children's hospital. The answer is as above, modern slavery or just good old mistreatment of workers

    It's pretty simple how not valuing your workers lives can get you some pretty spectacular results, as well as some pretty spectacular mass casualty events

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,992 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Cool, do you use an Android phone because unless you're on a Fairphone or Shiftphone then there's a high chance that some of the components are made in China

    Also literally every company in China is subsidised by the government to some degree. That's pretty much rule #1 of socialism; the means of production are owned by the people

    I wouldn't call the boogeyman out every time someone mentions China. It's impressive to see a country with strategic vision beyond lurching to the next ballot box

    I would say the issues stem from their horrifying history on workers rights, and human rights in general (which ironically is about as free market as you can get, it's practically Ayn Rand's dream world). I'm not surprised this happens when you create an environment where it can happen, it's like how drink driving laws were hardly enforced here in the past and everyone drove home drunk

    Companies will no doubt take advantage of a situation like that, they're profit driving engines, nothing more and to pretend any large enterprise has some moral compass is just delusional. If I said to any company "would you like to make more money, you just need to engage in some morally questionable behavior" they'd probably have already said "yes" after you mentioned money

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,423 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Love watching these group range tests on YouTube watching one at the moment from a channel called It's Only Electric, they're in Sweden, they've just got 5 owners and made a road trip range test, swapping cars and discussing along the way.

    Have seen them in UK too with carwow and Rsymonds,

    Got thinking there's none in Ireland and would @MarkN or @derekreilly think it might be a decent idea for a video for their channels? There's plenty of owners here that might contribute and test cars in the same class as each other, 60kwh hatchbacks in one video maybe 80kwh suvs in another.

    Even some of the same cars at different ages and see how range has held up over 2, 3, 4 years etc...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    New year ahead, confusing media narratives continue.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41542387.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,992 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    It's an interesting concept, but it's also important to remember there's a bit of a facade of scientific testing there

    I remember Bjorn did a video about why he thinks those tests are BS. I wouldn't say I agree with everything he said but one good point he made was that they tend to choose a somewhat mountainous route for the test

    So you can end up with a situation where a mid battery EV seems to fail dramatically before its rated range simply because it had to bow out before reaching the peak of a mountain. Whereas a bigger battery EV seems to do brilliantly because it crests the hill then coasts 50km on regen

    To some extent that's valid because mountains do exist and you can't just ignore them because you've a smaller battery EV. However it's also something of an unfair comparison if you can pick a route which deliberately screws over some cars

    Anyway, it'd probably be more valid to run a similar test in Ireland since we've a lot less geography and it's mild enough here to go outside in t-shirt on Christmas day. Seriously, anyone who thinks climate change is a myth at this point has an impressive detachment from reality

    YoudYou'd definitely need to correct for wind, doing Dublin to Cork and back would almost certainly favour any cars that can make it to Cork on a single charge. Maybe do a bunch of loops around Athlone of motorway and country roads

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,315 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Not exactly EV related but there was a talk in Germany (in German) related to VW EV range where they accidentally left unsecured lots of data they had collected on their EVs sold, with position data accurate to within 20 centimeters and it was possible to identify some owners such as Hamburg police who owned some of the EVs.

    More of a general concern as all modern cars ICE or EV are required to have an emergency SOS button with position reporting and as a result all manufacturers are fitting mobile data sims to all cars and collecting the positions of all cars and anything else they think they can use or resell such as charging data or speeding etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,153 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    While what you say is largely true.

    It's quite something else for western companies to be trying to compete with a state subsidised industry and labour. It's not possible without a similar levels of intervention by Western govts.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,423 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Is there a database of public ev charger providers in Ireland and how they are activated?

    Or does anyone have sufficient knowledge of which ones need apps and accounts or which can be just activated by debit/credit card?

    New guy in work getting enyaq 85 2nd week of January so want him to get up to speed quickly and just realised I public charge so infrequently I forget which ones are out there. I used to charge on M1, M7, M8 on my trips to our own Northern Ireland and munster offices but destination charging at them now, this guy will be out and about visiting customer sites so doesn't have the same predictability that I have, plus he's busier!!

    All I can think of is ionity, applegreen, circle k, esb.

    Which others are there?

    I have shown him ABRP too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,153 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I'd stick to the main ones you've mentioned. Probably won't know until he does his routes which are handiest



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,704 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    The main ones that can be found in pretty much every town that has them would be ESB and EasyGo (small towns and Lidl supermarkets). AppleGreen, Ionity and Circle K are less plentiful, but will be on main routes and motorways.

    ESB, get the card. EasyGo can work from the app or get a fob for €6. AppleGreen, use the app and save 5c/kWh. Haven't used Ionity or Circle K yet.

    Also if he's likely to use ESB fast DC (above 100kWh) get the Freshmile card. Costs 30c/minute plus 30c/kWh which will be a good bit cheaper as long as you're charging above 100kWh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,992 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭crl84


    Plugshare for charger locations.

    There is no db of which chargers are activated certain ways. Even the individual providers own apps don't give this info AFAIK.

    EasyGo and Tesla are two main ones other than what you've mentioned. Maybe Weev too if he's going to be around the border counties/north-west.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭tlaavtech


    Google Maps is also really very good for showing charger locations and their availability. You just need to tell it that you have an electric car. Click on "Profile" (your avatar or initial in the top right-hand corner), then "Settings" and "Your Vehicle".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 364 ✭✭Ev fan


    You would think that 2025 should be a better year for EV sales- partly because 2024 was a low point (hopefully) but also because 2025 seems to be the year when a raft of more affordable EVs will hit the market.....

    Kia ev3 Citroën eC3 Dacia Spring Hyundai Inster Renault 5 Renault 4 Fiat 500 Fiat Panda Grande VW ID2 Cupra Raval Chinese XYZ.

    Hopefully a much more positive year for EVs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,718 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Unlikely, most sales staff are actively steering punters away from EV’s. PHEV’s seem to be the flavour for the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,423 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    I'm not as anti phev as some here, it dont want one myself as I never want an engine or a gearbox again but I think they are a good solution for many, once they do cover the usual day to day stuff. I've about 60kms a day routinely and I'd say I'm the high side of the median at that. So a realistic 70/80kms range would suit so many people.

    Then tax the bollox out of petrol even more to encourage people to plug in.

    Good stepping stone for people too, I went ev because I had a pain in the hole plugging in after every journey, my range was terrible though in an early 530e and that was one of the big reasons to go full electric.

    I love EVs but realise I'm part of a minority. Large minority but minority all the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 364 ✭✭Ev fan


    Good friend of mine is a Toyota man and has a RAV4. Will go PHEV next if the price comes down closer to the regular hybrid. He does average mileage of 15k mostly around Dublin with the occasional trip down the country. "Best of both worlds " he says. Hill to climb to remove genuine perception of risk of EV ownership when occasional long trip is called for.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,992 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    The problem with PHEVs was never the design, it was the drivers not bothering to plug in

    There's a bunch of them around me, I'd say half of them get plugged in once a week and the other half never get plugged in

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 364 ✭✭Ev fan


    Fair point when you look at the PHEV sales - but they tend to be bigger cars/SUV and pretty expensive. This doesn't serve the lower cost - say less than 40k/35k market and smaller cars etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,992 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I'm not sure small hatchbacks are going to cause a massive sales boost

    I love that there's finally options out there, but if you look at ICE world the top selling cars are mostly crossovers

    Obviously the same was true in EVs, mostly because they were the only option until now. But I think they'll still reign supreme for the foreseeable future

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,153 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Theres a bigger profit margin on larger vehicles, much less on smaller vehicles. It's partially why they are disappearing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,718 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Fair point but petrol prices and public DC charging rates are too close to encourage anyone plug them anywhere other than home or work. PHEV’s could also be nightmare cars when they’re 8-10 years old. Double the trouble with so much trickery to go wrong out of warranty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,423 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Tax is probably going to be the hammer to eventually be used when other tools have proved ineffective.

    We are still in an earlyish transition phase it's still really only first generation of cars where most manufacturers have had an option for ev. I remember being blown away by the idea of a bmw 330e in 2016 or 2017 I eventually bought a used 530e I wouldn't look at one now knowing what I know today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,992 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Yeah but you also can't force a market trend, if everyone hated crossovers then nobody would buy them and the estate car would still be the top choice for family cars

    (I miss estate cars ☹️)

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,704 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    November was the first month that EV sales exceeded the previous year's numbers. Might be a change in trend. Time will tell.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,176 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    530e, Every night I have to plug in ours. She won’t sell it though! I want her to go EV. It she doesn’t like the crop of Tesla, cupra, VW etc

    She likes the i4 so holding out for one of those.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,423 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    I remember it well, plugging in and knowing it was only getting me half my daily use.

    She never plugged it in, always carrying some bags or whatever back from the car and won't go back out to plug in. Eh, plug it in then get your stuff out of thar car!



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