Random EV thoughts.....

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123010395#Comment_123010395

Early ID.4s are now out of battery and mileage warranty. High milers, especially the good many used as Taxis are beginning to report module failures.

€8,000 inc the VAT to put right.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123011524#Comment_123011524

Do you have any links to that?

Not that I'm planning to buy any high miler ex taxi ever.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123011524#Comment_123011524

Where are you seeing this?

Of all the VW taxis I see, they are failing with headlights, door handles, charging flaps but none have had HV battery issues.

Old diesel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123011851#Comment_123011851

What sort of mileages are these taxis clocking up to...…

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123010563#Comment_123010563

The chemistry is different, I'd be suspicious of what may happen. Although it would be worse to put a lead acid battery in a setup designed for LFP than the other way round - risk of overcharging.

I know in my model 3 we had a li-ion (not lfp) "12v" battery which actually sat at over 15V. I'd hate to see - or smell - a 12v lead acid battery at 15V+

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123012003#Comment_123012003

Yeah I've seen a few drop in replacements which have their own BMS built in

Expensive though, €450 for an Ohmmu model which doesn't state the number of amp hours. I'm suspicious to say the least

Maybe I'll just go for a cheap replacement lead acid battery and aim for higher capacity

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123011966#Comment_123011966

Lowest i have is 60k and my mates is at 110k

His has 2 headlight replacements out of warranty. €3500 from VW.

Both 2021 cars.

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123012117#Comment_123012117

Jaysus that's puts modern car ownership into perspective, especially for the private owner who has to fund it all on after tax income….€7k gross income to replace bulbs on a 3 year old car!!

With the way modern car design is going with large expensive electronic components which can't be repaired, out of warranty used car ownership is heading to unaffordable levels for many people. A bit more realism may be required on used car depreciation levels in the future.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123012249#Comment_123012249

This is why supporting right to repair is important, it's likely those headlights could have been repaired for far lower cost

However because modern cars favour component replacement, many components are designed in a way that makes them very difficult to repair, leading to much more expensive repairs

This isn't purely a ploy to make repair more expensive, it's part of manufacturing efficiency. Generally it's easier to automate assembly when there's fewer parts involving simpler fasteners

VW could (for example) have designed the headlights with removable covers and individually replaceable LED segments. It'd be much easier and cheaper to repair a damaged light, however the assembly process would be a lot longer and more manual

In any case, if anyone is interested in supporting right to repair then the group below has been advocating across the EU

https://repair.eu/

JohnySwan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123012249#Comment_123012249

I think my next car will be a Kia with a 7 year warranty. Madness, bring back halogen bulbs. There's nothing environmentally friendly about dumping a light fitting.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123012249#Comment_123012249

Not just modern cars. I’d hate to see the cost of replacing an LED headlight in my 2017 530. My 2015 F10 had them too.

But the prices above are from VW. Can be got cheaper from a breakers and coded in. But you have to use the same era lights I believe.

PCDub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123012075#Comment_123012075

Have looked into this on the i3 as its been done by a few owners but usually in warmer countries with higher ambient temps as LFP usually doesnt like being charged below 0c degrees. I'll stick with agm if i need to replace the 12v, which is a common failure on the i3.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123012327#Comment_123012327

Yeah it's shocking the way the industry has moved to make repairs so expensive..

slave1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123012003#Comment_123012003

Yeah, Tesla M3 have 15v battery since late 2021, they have committed to move away from 12v to 48v over time. The CT is already 48v since launch I think. 12v was grand when all it had to do was start the car, now we have compressors, cameras, self steering, screens, heated seats/wipers/wheel as well as audio amplifiers 12v is just an inherited legacy that is inefficient Vs 48v for likes of compressors so a win win

pah

Mother in law's 2004 Accord showing signs of failure. Clutch give after a leak earlier this year plus some other niggles. She's had it from new.

Considering change to EV. I'm thinking 64kwh Kona around the 20k mark

slave1

The Kona is a great option and is holding well in terms of upkeep etc. why not look at a 2019/2020 model and you'll have a lot more money left in your pocket

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123012600#Comment_123012600

I'm all for EVs as long as manufacturers don't leave People hanging on warranties and repairs. Consider the cost of changing. EVs a change of mindset not just a different car.

pah

Absolutely agree. Accord is costing 2500 a year to run vs 300 for an EV That's without any more nasty bills for things going wrong. We're a 2ev household now so will seats of all that's involved.

slave1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123013015#Comment_123013015

Since 2017 my combined service and repair cost is E154 for the 4 different EV's I've had

zg3409

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123012333#Comment_123012333

Not Hyundai are similar and typically have warranty to higher miles than Kia. Either way lots of stories about in warranty cars having issues getting faults fixed, from not being able to diagnose the issue or fobbing you off, to waiting months for parts with no replacement EV provided. Even for basic checks most main dealers have a 3 week waiting list and most don't work on main batteries, instead need to send to Dublin dealer. Same happens for ICE and with hybrid there is twice as much to go wrong. I would typically avoid any new model of any car until at least the second gen models where known weaknesses are fixed.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123013053#Comment_123013053

You've likely lost more in depreciation than any running costs. Personally I'm happy to pay that for the advantages of the EV.

slave1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123013294#Comment_123013294

LOL, quite the opposite, imported at lows and sold on at highs, folk here are hyper on depreciation when the relevant figure is cost to change, I came up from a 221 to a 242 (superior) Model 3 for less than €9k cost to change in Aug24 but if fixated on depreciation loss all folk here think about is the €5Xk I paid for the model 3 and got done by Tesla price drop from €5Xk to €38k when the reality is that even with price drop my cost to change was cheaper purchasing in 221 at new car peak because of inflated used prices I took advantage of

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123013294#Comment_123013294

Yes, this is true. My EVs have cost me a lot in excessive depreciation. Especially from 2022 onwards, which negates all savings made in that time. I paid 10k deposit and 850 per month for 2 years on my model 3 only for it to be written off and me left with nothing because the deflation in value. I would have had to come up with another deposit in order to go again. So I've just not bought another, and we're making do with my leaf, my outlander and mrs elm's Ora (which is also about 10k underwater despite having paid 15k deposit in 232)

I don't think I'll ever buy a new EV again, not until the market stabilizes. I made money in 2021 and before, got a good deal on my X75D especially, seeing Tesla took a 20k+ loss on it afterwards, but it's pissing money down the drain. And if I'm going to piss money down the drain I'd prefer to do it in my outlander, an old leaf which doesnt owe me anything, my v6 merc, or better yet something with 8 or more cylinders.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123013360#Comment_123013360

Buying low selling high is a trick that only worked for a while and that time has mostly passed.

I'm just pointing out the cost ownership isn't simply the running costs. Cost to change doesn't avoid depreciation.

Buddy Bubs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123013642#Comment_123013642

I think what he means is like my 22 car, it cost 42k and I'd be lucky to get 22k now so depreciation is 20k in an accounting sense.

But I could change it for a brand new one for about 13k because price has dropped

Flinty997

You could have had a 2k car during that time and the rest in a bank..

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123013917#Comment_123013917

Could have had a €1k car and an extra €1k in the bank earning no interest. But anyway, Financial and banking forum is that way ——→
It’s the motors forum. Most users want a car. Not a bangernomic.

Buddy Bubs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123013917#Comment_123013917

I could indeed have it all in the bank. What a fun world that would be. Where would others get your 2k cars from then? I haven't sold it by the way I still have it and intend to keep it, no plans to sell. I quite like it, the look of it, the power, the drive of it.

I have a house. Have a mortgage but im attacking it. I have a pension for later life, its a little behind but im working on that. I go on holidays. I buy nice things for the house. I still have savings in a bank. I mess around with revolut stocks.

I've just dropped 52k on another car awaiting a delivery date. There's 2 cars someone will eventually buy for 2k.

Choose spending. Choose life.

obi604

got an Ioniq 28 today for 8 hours. 2019 with 76,000km

now today was a very cold day, drove about 200km. Max speed was only 110kph and most of the time around 90kph and some city driving. Was roughly 1.8km for every 1% of battery. Not bad for a really cold day.

The rear visibility is very bad, found myself using side mirrors to try and see what’s behind me. Feels a bit plasticky\scratchy even compared to my 2014 lowly leaf.
rear seats seem smaller than the leaf especially for taller people with the sloping roof. Didn’t seem as quick off the mark as the leaf.

But can’t argue with the range from the battery.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123014057#Comment_123014057

Cost to change didn't make depreciation disappear regardless of any mantra.