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Sunsynk (DEYE) Hybrid Inverters

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,265 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Only when off grid

    when on grid, everything is "grid tied"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 cstagg


    I’m not a expert so you will have be bear with me. I calculate I have max 9090W (360W x 16 and 370Wx 9) The max PV input power(W) on the 6kw Deye inverter is 7800W and on the 8kw is 10,400W.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,482 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    You really need to stop and talk to an electrician, no electrician will sign off on either of those inverters without you having NC7 approval

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,265 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    The real limit is the VOC of the string. (and amps to a certain extent)
    the limit on the deye is 500v,

    As panels get colder the VOC rises, by maybe 1% per degree below 20c (or whatever STC is), it is stated on the data sheet


    The 8kW has paralleled inputs too, so that needs 2 strings of the same panels and number of them

    You wont be able to combine the 3 strings onto one inverter. (unless the 2*8 are the same aspect)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,958 ✭✭✭tnegun




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 conorr51


    Hi there,

    I was about to pull the trigger on a Sunsynk 5.5kw inverter when I came across this post about a BPE 5.5kw inverter in Kellihers. Just wondering if anyone has bought one or has any experience with the brand as I haven't heard about them before. I'm hoping to go down the DIY battery route (seplos mason kit) so also wanted to make sure that this was also possible with this inverter. I'm installing 9.5kw of panels split between south and west orientations.

    Do you think I'd be better off sticking with the Sunsynk in case I need advice about it as it seems to be one of the more popular inverters with people here on Boards.

    Thanks in advance



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,482 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    BPE is rebadged SunSynk

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,265 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Not the ones that are being sold now, not sure what the OEM is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 conorr51


    Thanks for the replies! My biggest concern would be that I wouldn't be able to go down the DIY battery route with the BPE one! Do you think that might be a problem? It seems to suggest that it is compatible with Lifepo4 batteries but I honestly don't know enough yet about the whole thing to be sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    Fire off an email to customer support, I'm sure they can tell you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 conorr51


    Will do and will report back if I get a reply!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭JohnySwan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭championc


    Compatability is generally seen as the BMS can talk to the inverter directly.

    However, I have recently dumped this approach and configured by Deye for a Default Lead-Acid type setup. I got sick and tired of the JK calculated SOC. So the Deye calculates it's own SOC %. The BMS manages the LiFePO4's, but basically just looks after itself.

    So it's actually not the worst thing in the world to have a standalone BMS. Let it manage the individual Cell Under and Over voltage and charge current



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 conorr51


    Sorry I had to do a small bit of research to understand how your approach works! In reality so and from what I can understand, as long as the BPE inverter has the option to operate as if it were managing lead acid batteries then I would have the option to go down this route even if the BMS of the Seplos kit and inverter aren't compatible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭championc


    Correct. It's somewhat down to the battery voltage and what voltage the inverter can take. Ideally you want something mid 40's to high 50's



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 conorr51


    Ok, thanks for the advice! Another question now to ask their support. Will post once I hear something back from them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    I thought it was the electrician who needed to submit the NC7 form? Information very vague online as to what can be DIY and what has to be done by an electrician.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,265 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Basically anything that's connected to a home fuseboard come under restricted works in a domestic setting.

    Don't know exactly where the line is drawn with replacing lights /sockets but it's around there, along as it's like for like sort of thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    And when it comes to solar PV, do you only need an SEAI approved electrician for the purposes of getting the grant? I have no interest in the grant so would be great to liberate myself from SEAI.

    Edit: Useful article here:

    https://irish.solar/is-it-legal-to-install-your-own-solar-panels-in-ireland/

    Seems any electrician can do the final hookup to the fuseboard. But still not clear on whether an electrician needs to sign the NC7 (or if it's more likely to get approved if an electrician does it)



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,265 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    No you only need an SEAI approved installer for the grant.

    The nc6/nc7 does require an electrician to fill it out



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,114 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Exactly. Why use quasi intelligence from cheap devices when it is based on poor measurement? Forget about SOC, use voltage instead. That never lies and is easily measured. The BMS will still protect the cells in the same way and you will get more use out of your battery that way.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭THE ALM


    Some nice products from Deye, assume Sunsynk will be the same.

    Deye Wireless Energy Management Solutions

    Wireless CT's could make life a lot easier for some installs



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,482 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    so that's how to pronounce Deye!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    Thought the same, always assumed it was Die🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,689 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Day-yay!

    Pity the EV charger is not a DC one, pretty silly converting DC-AC-DC in this day and age…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,114 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Yeah would be nice, maybe a 22kW DC CCS charger, ready for the mother of all V2G bidirectional too 😀

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,958 ✭✭✭tnegun


    I got my battery hooked up in the last few days and am trying to figure out how to export all solar while still powering the house from the battery. I'm using the SunSynk HA addon via the RS485 port and have the JKBMS connected via ESPHome BLE. I have the battery behaving as I want but the inverter is charging it with any excess rather than allowing that back to the grid. What am I missing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,689 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    I think you just need change the work mode, not sure if the HA addon gives you these values but essentially you want to change it to Selling first when you want to export and then Zeroexport to CT when you don't:

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    Other than that your timers must be correctly setup as well, i.e. to only use grid charge at night, if you do that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,114 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Problem is that Sunsynk will "export" what you set the max sell power to. What you then really export or import depends on your load.

    I.e. if you set export to 4000W and your load is 5000W, it will actually import 1000W from the grid

    I find this the biggest con of the Sunsynk / Deye system

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,265 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    You can't power the house from the battery and export all solar.

    House uses solar first always, no way around it.

    But what you could do is set the battery charge rate on the deye to 0amps. Via automation in the morning and then back to max before you charge at night.

    House will use solar, then excess will be exported. And when sun goes down the battery will discharge.



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