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Sunsynk (DEYE) Hybrid Inverters

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  • Posts: 2,768 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You must have a ct at the main incoming cable, either the meter cabinet or the main distribution board. 6mm2 cable is a bit on the small side too. How long is the run?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,133 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    If you have a battery you need to have a CT clamp for it to know when to charge and discharge the battery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,755 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Right, so running without a CT clamp out of the question then. The shed fuse box is about 15-20m from the main fuse box then another 2-3m to the meter. Not sure I'll have space in the duct to run a cat 6 cable, will have to check.

    While I'm using an 8k Inverter, I only have 16x 425w panels and 16x 405ah batteries so thinking 6mm2 would suffice for now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,473 ✭✭✭championc


    If you are having to run a new cable, just run a 10mm² armoured cable. No matter what you do then, you're sorted.

    Suppose you don't have enough time in a 3 or 4 he window, you may end up adding a secondary battery charger in parallel with the inverter.

    I've a 3kW rectifier which can add up to 9kW in the 3hr window in addition to what the inverter can do.



  • Posts: 2,768 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Can you expand on the setup with the rectifier. I'd like to know how it all works.



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,133 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


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    crude drawing.. no fusing or disconnects drawn (all cables should have protection). Busbars assumed as it makes everything eaiser

    rectifier is basically wired up in parallel with everything.

    Should only charge using the rectifier when inverter is charging or set to idle or if the inverter is discharging the batteries and you try to run the rectifier it will take power from the rectifier and also try and power it, will work just waste power as heat.

    As for the charging. If your rectifier was set at 56V, and inverter at 57,

    As the battery voltage gets closer to the rectifier voltage, less power will be taken from the rectifier.

    I advise to use a lower voltage for the rectifier as its a dumb charger and its a lower voltage than what the inverter drives. It wont slam the cells into a high voltage situation. Bulk of charging is done by both, the Inverter finishes it off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,473 ✭✭✭championc


    Here is what some of us are using. You can request a specific voltage for the unit, and they will configure the unit for this. I got it set to 56v

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭Abromavich


    Its so simple, very clever setup. I hated the rectifier idea for charging the batteries as I assumed it required some form of automation and would act as another point of potential failure. The voltage output being set just below the inverter voltage (& max battery voltage) is very creative. Are there any practical downsides to this approach compared to say using a more poweful inverter?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,473 ✭✭✭championc


    Absolutely no downsides. I have it connected to a TAPO Smart Plug, simply timed to turn on from 2am to 5am.

    It is the cheapest 3jW charger you'll ever find, do if your inverter was 5kW, you can suddenly charge at 8kW



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  • Posts: 2,768 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just a general word of caution for anyone reading this, most of those smart plugs aren't rated for much more than a few hundred watts, so choose carefully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,627 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Yeah they do say 13a on them but also sometimes say don't plug radiators into them (probably due to high draw), the rectifier is not a rad but still 3000w is not nothing.

    I would only power these from a socket that is directly fed by a smart rcbo that you can toggle on/off from wifi to be extra safe.

    But then again I did pick up a few of these https://www.shelly.com/products/shelly-plus-plug-uk?_pos=4&_sid=c09eadec5&_ss=r recently and they seem to be able to handle 13a just fine, probably a matter of seeing how warm they get.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,133 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    I would be wary of the standard 13amp socket too. A 16 amp one would be much better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,473 ✭✭✭championc


    While it starts delivering at 3kW, if it's voltage setting is less than the inverter, then it will gradually reduce as the battery charge increases. So you don't end up pulling the full 3kW for long.

    It's possibly a case of buying a good brand of smart plug, rather than a cheap AliExpress one. I bought a TAPO on Amazon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 cstagg


    Thanks Guys.
    The plan is to install a gateway so if the power goes it will automatically switch over to batteries off grid (once charged of course) Solerboss today recommended below inverter which seams to have a built in gateway. Also can be installed to a generator if required. Just in a situation where I have to have back up power.

    Have ye any thoughts on the inverter below or Sunsynk?

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,133 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Moved to sunsynk thread.

    Good inverter.

    As for gateway?

    Do you mean changeover switch to switch you from grid to the backup supply?

    That doesn't come with the inverter.

    Inverter does have a load output that will stay powered in a grid outage, but unless extra hardware is implemented it won't automatically switch or anything like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 cstagg


    So if power goes from the grid will the inverter automatically switch to batteries?

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,133 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Really depends on setup, and if you currently have battery charge left.

    But yes the load (backup) output will still be powered in a grid outage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 cstagg


    Mind made up so. Going with one of these inverters. Think Ill go with 8kw version so I have capacity if I change out panels in the future.
    Have 25 x 330w panels so think Im almost maxing out the 6Kw version?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭tnegun


    It's mentioned earlier in the thread, but you need to be mindful of the open circuit voltage of the panels in series. 450v is the max per string the power output is less important. I think 12/13 panels per string in series is probably pushing it for the 6 or 8kw Deye.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 cstagg


    Thanks what would you recommend so?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭tnegun


    You need to find the spec sheet for your panels to determine their Voc and also figure out how they are configured e.g. Is it two strings in series one 12S and the other 13S or do you have a bigger imbalance between them or even some paralleling?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,945 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Just remember this requires expensive NC7 filing, no RECI will sign off on that sized inverter with the free NC6 filing

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 cstagg


    To give full context I wish to install a 30Kwh battery (spec attached) into my existing solar power setup at home. Here's a quick overview of my current setup:

    I have 16 x 360W (VOC 40.8) panels installed on my garage, which are connected to a 6KW Solis inverter. These panels are arranged in two strings with 8 panels each. Additionally, I have 9 x 370W (VOC 41.2) panels on my house, connected to a 3KW SAJ inverter, and these are on a single string. I monitor and control the system using myenergi products (Hub, Harvi, Eddi, Zappi). Unfortunately, both of my current inverters do not support battery connections.

    Given this setup, I am considering two options and would appreciate your guidance on which one might be more effective:

    1. Replace the inverter in the garage with a Deye 6 KW Hybrid inverter while leaving the SAJ inverter in the house as is.

    2. Join up all the panels (they are close, so this can be easily done) on two strings (12/13) and connect them to either a Deye 6 KW or 8 KW Hybrid inverter.

    Pictures of current set up, spec of 30kwh battery and Deye 6kw and 8 kw inverter attached. 

    IMG_5766.jpeg IMG_5764.jpeg IMG_5924.jpeg IMG_5925.jpeg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭tnegun


    Your setup is somewhat similar to mine. I had toyed with the idea of bringing my third sting to the Deye, but I have decided to stay with two inverters purely for simplicity and redundancy. I might at some point connect the second inverter to the gen port on the Deye, but I don't see any real benefit to it right now. I replaced my Solis with a hybrid Deye and configured it so that it's aware of a gride side inverter. I'm waiting for the delivery of my battery so that's about as far as I've gone. Still, it was relatively straightforward to swap if you're confident crimping connections and isolating everything properly both your 8-panel strings are well within the limits of the Deye. How to you mange your export now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,473 ✭✭✭championc


    Consider connecting the second inverter to the Deye Load port. Then the Deye can export while knowing about all solar generation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭tnegun


    My hesitation with that is it seems the inverter on the load port can only charge the battery and not export. I've seen some screenshots online that appear to allow export from the coupled inverter but my version doesn't have that check box. Does it allow it by default or how does it work?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 cstagg


    If I connect up all 25 panels is there any benefit going with the 8kw inverter or will I stick with the 6kw



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,133 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    When "on grid" the Load, and Grid is all on a common busbar internally.

    So it can export over the load as it is on grid, it is not isolated from the grid. Check the generator page for the setting.

    Well Id not put all 25 on the inverter, as its way over the DC limit of it, 16 are fine as long as its 2 strings of 8



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭tnegun


    I'd read the inverter would use frequency shifting to stop the gen port inverter from exporting and this along with the missing allow export from micro inverter had me park the idea for now.



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