Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

You have everybody saying he needs to be given time, and people even saying that anything short of relegation is ok because he just has to be given time.

Its not a mindset I can agree with. All high functioning, highly paid superstars need to perform and that includes the world class managers.

Again, that doesn't mean titles and immediate goal sprees, but there should be improvement in both player performance and in results. It doesn't have to be shite performances just because he wants to implement a long term plan, you can do both things at the same time.

"We have to suffer" just because he wants to play a different formation is a bit of a cop out for me. It is a formation and a tactical plan, not a doctoral thesis, he isn't reinventing the wheel here. If he is such a good coach then how long does it take to communicate where you want players to be?

It must be said that I have little patience for the tactical revolution to begin with because the squad needed a cultural reset, not a tactical reset. He would be far better placed picking a formation that suits the players and then being ruthless with the selection, as opposed to this everybody gets rotated into a new style thing. But thats just me.

Long story short, he has 2 wins from 6 PL games. Thats ok today, but if by late January/February that percentage isn't improving then I think its perfectly fair to ask why he is doing worse than Ten Hag was.

The situation at Utd didn’t just happen over night. it’s taken more than a decade for Utd to fall so badly into this mess. In that time we’ve had the club being run by the gross incompetence (football wise) of Woodward and the Glazers happily sat back as the football went down the drain and commercial success rocketed up.

This allowed the culture at the club to slowly rot into what we are now seeing at. Players were happy to be part of Utd for the big money and the mutual commercial success their own private brands enjoyed. Footballing success was a pleasant by product instead of it being the other way around.

manager after manager has failed for a variety of different reasons but all of them were doomed to failure ultimately under the horrible football structure and the increasingly ambivalent apathetic culture.

Here we are back at the start again. Only now INEOS have been putting in place foundational changes to get things back on track. They have clearly made a few blunders and unpopular decisions but you have to give them a chance. They are trying to fix 15 years or more of what was allowed to fester and rot under the old regime. We cannot over estimate how bad things had become and we cannot overlook the reality of how long it could take to turn this sh1tshow around.

We have an exciting new manager who is under no illusions as to how bad the situation is. INEOS simply have to let him do his thing. The man isn’t a magician and he has to be given lots of time, eventually financial backing and support. I’m prepared to watch Utd get embarrassed game after game if it means we eventually get to see a proper rebuild and reset taking place. If it means next year and the year after, Utd are scrapping to break into a he top 4 then so be it. I just hope INEOS are prepared to sit in for the long haul.

I'm pretty sure he can see we are very poor at defending set pieces. It going to take time to rectify that as Onana isn't suddenly going to start coming to claim crosses ( badly exposed against Arsenal ) and Martinez isn't going to start winning any aerial duels. So it's going to take time. Also with Casemiro not in the team ( nor do i think he should be ) it limits the amount of players we have that are good in the air

I do wish wilcox abd berrada would take a bit more of a public approach though.

Take the question about Rashford, make it official you fully back the manager. Make it clear applied effort must be sky high.

Briefs to the press can massage a narrative, but public statements would speak a lot louder.

I'm a bit disappointed they are so quiet. If you hire a head coach rather than a manager, the people above him should be more visible.

Oh no, I mean that's what you would hope from a Sporting Director, not what we would have got!

RA is a head coach as you say and you would hope some management duties would be taken from him.

Unfortunately it still seems a bit of mess behind the scenes.

It's a sad state of affairs really.

Amorim made it clear on arrival that there were 2 options.

1 - Short term pain in order to change the culture and structure to ensure longer term success.

2 - Forget about long term change and chase short term stability by papering over the cracks, and find ourselves in the exact same place in 2 years time.

And yet within a few months, many are craving option 2.

Absolutely nothing I have said today has any connection to option 2 whatsoever. Its on you if you think otherwise.

Expecting evidence of improvement from Europe's **** hot new manager is not some crazy idea. It just isn't.

We should have hammered Bournemouth imo.

We created far better chances and their goals came from brainfarts and mistakes.

Imo in terms of what a manager can influence we did well, the players need to be colder, cooler, stronger. The coaching team can help over time, but the players need to grow in belief themselves.

Agreed - the lack of pace is a big issue. I think we need to go back to Amad at RWB; to provide an additional attacking threat - playing two 'normal' fullbacks makes us too slow moving into attack, and puts way too much focus on the front 3.

I think we also need to get a LWB, someone with pace, who can/will overlap and offer a wide threat, which again would take some focus off the front 3.

I think dream signing Davies, with Amad on the other side, and then Bruno and Garnacho off the forward could see a transformation in our attacking threat. Though poor finishing, lack of intensity defensively and set pieces still obviously need to be rectified.

what did he say?