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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭creedp


    Ive a 2017 smax which doesn't get driven regularly, often going a week or more between drives. It's never shown the slightest sign of dampness between drives. Just sit, start up and drive off. If a car is any way damp inside it's leaking water somewhere, which isn't a problem for new cars



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 364 ✭✭Ev fan


    A little bit of a good news story- Irish Times did their usual take on best new cars for 2025 - 8 cars out of 10 are EV- has to be a positive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,157 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Wow that's a big article.

    Quite something that Ireland has created an environment with increasing diesel car sales (and the cost of diesel) when diesel car sales are down across Europe generally.

    I guess the positive is you can still buy whatever you want..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 749 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    I'd hate to think what the cost of motor tax will be on those cars in a few years time. Especially when the government of the day is faced with billions of euro in fines…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭maidhc


    Not one red cent will ever be paid in “fines” in the context of carbon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,995 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Edd China fixing a Leaf with a welded contactor instead of replacing the battery pack (£150 vs £6000 or so)

    Probably could do it even cheaper by replacing the contactor itself instead of the whole assembly

    Great to see some of the better known car mechanics on YouTube challenging the idea that a fault in the battery pack requires a complete replacement

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,995 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Sure because the EU couldn't just deduct the fines from the funding they give us

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,315 ✭✭✭zg3409


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121586463#Comment_121586463

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    Quote from last January.

    I saw a talk from the Irish company goplugable and I quickly signed up while listening to the talk.

    Today I got a phone call from a UK number while in work at 11:40am. The caller explained he was from goplugable and that someone wanted to pay to use my home charger. He said they cannot see my home exact location nor contact details until I approve. I asked when and he said 2-5pm today. He said I needed to approve in the app. So I went into the app, logged in, and found the request and sure enough today 2-5pm. So I approved them messaged the person with my mobile number and address, but I think they could see those details at that point. I also changed my zappi from night timer to instant. This could be done remotely from the charger app. The goplugable app suggested around 10 euro for 3 hours and around 20kWh of energy. This seemed to assume a 3 hour booking would consume around 7kW of energy per hour. This is a presumption in the app.

    So then I waited. I could see on the charger app an EV charging around 2:30pm. I messaged the missus there may be a strange car in the driveway. The booked time was 2-5 but I could see from my charger it was actually 2;30-5:30 which may have caused a parking issue if we came home from work and wanted to use the space. We have plenty on street free parking so not a concern but may be for others.

    After I reviewed the results. At the time of request I noticed no pop up notification from the app with a request, no notification at start of charging, no notification at end of charging notifications. Notifications are allowed for this app on my phone. No emails, no alerts, no sms etc. It's something they could improve on. I did not find the app that user friendly and difficult to contact support. It also does not give you a way of ringing the person using your home charger, just in app messaging.

    The original price around 10 euro seems to be before their fee, then also vat is taken off. I may have underpriced my offer,when I actually thought when I set the price it was high enough to deter time wasters and more for those stuck or trying it out. My 10 became 7.24

    The biggest shock was I can't get any money out until my balance is 50 euro. Considering I would be lucky with 1 user per year, it might take 5+ years before I have any hope of getting any money back. It might be possible to work around it by topping up to 50 then refunding it but I have not tested that.

    This seems crazy, electricity costs alone were probably 5 euro, tipping into peak electricity pricing from 5pm.

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    Another surprise for me was the calculated units consumed according to their guess was 18.84kWh while my home charger said it was 20.69 units. Thus they underestimated the actual electricity consumption by 10% leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

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    Pricing from others seems to vary a lot with some that don't seem to understand the kWh rate structure, basically 7 units per hour. Many others are more expensive than public chargers.

    I joined up for the thrill to test it out, and to help someone stuck on low charge where nearby public chargers were busy. I could radically increase my pricing but then it probably makes no sense to users. I'll probably just remove my home charger from the options list.

    I did wonder could I mount a pedestal unit on the public street outside my house and start becoming a public charger provider, it could be useful to undercut ESB and for those nearby with no home chargers.

    I do worry about goplugable's long term viability. Lots of similar apps with myenergi and zapmap going in on the home charger resell game, options in plugshare app to list home chargers too. I can't see it reaching critical mass alone as a stand alone app.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭creedp


    You know how Populist extraordinaires Harris and Martin love paying hard ball with their EU betters so now that we are substantial net contributors to the EU dream I can see them withholding our EU contributions in a protest response🤣



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,101 ✭✭✭✭ELM327




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,157 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,101 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Precedent. In ireland when we change motor tax assessment it is on a go forward basis. Look at 08, the revisions to the CO2 band.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,157 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    That doesn't mean they can't do it.

    They'll likely take inspiration from the UK changes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 749 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    They'll find a way to get the likes of the 520d off the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,101 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Well, if they are thinking like that, hopefully they get punished like the greens did for the drs scheme. I'm all for positive change to go forward, but retroactive change just punishes the less well off. Do like Norway (and what we have done in the past) Target new car purchases and trickle down the changes.

    BMW did that for them, the g60 doesn't come in 520d anymore here. Jokes on us though, the 4.4 v8 M5 is now cheaper to tax and vrt than a 520d.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    The UK just raised the tax rate for the 0 co2 rating,(or less than certain amounts) from What was zero to whatever it is now.

    What they could do here is just raise all the tax bands by whatever amount.

    If they created a new measuring scheme it would likely be not retroactive..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,995 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Or just increase excise on fuel, that's always the old trick isn't it?

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,157 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    In the the UK a new M5 will be around 700 euros to tax.

    Quite something to be blaming the greens for drs when most of Europe already had it and your example of Norway has variations of it for decades.

    Not entirely sure Ireland's going backwards on emissions is something to be happy about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,157 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    In terms of EVs in Ireland they have to be looking at the changes they are making in the UK. You'd have to say Irish govt is reducing incentives for EVs and BEVs. There's very little govt disincentive to buying a new client non hybrid ice.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭josip


    They could require an emissions NCT test every 6 months for all old diesels instead of annually. NCT centres should have capacity for this additional test as more EVs enter the national fleet and hit the 4 year old mark. Initially do it for 20 year old diesels, a couple of years later reduce to 15 year old and by 2030 for any diesels over 10yo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,101 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Not here though re the M5, I think it is 140 or 170, when a diesel car could be multiples of that.

    My blame and problem with the DRS scheme is the implementation. My family is German and I would have been used to bottle returns etc as a child. How we managed to badly and shoddily introduce (and continue to run) something that works better on the continent for literal decades astounds me. I've been an EV driver for 10 years next year so I'm not exactly interested in us going backwards.

    There is still a backlog of weeks to months at most test centers as it is. This type of thinking is not realistic to what's happening on the ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,995 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Sure people just bypass the DPF filter between tests so what's even the point in trying? I'll wager that a lot of diesels in Ireland aren't even performing to their manufacturer specs

    In this weather the majority of them will have the emissions controls bypassed, so every diesel driver in a town is spewing a nice cloud of lethal particulates at any pedestrians. It's nicely at head height for children as well, keeps the doctors busy with lots of respiratory issues at least

    Look at the hoops people jump through every NCT to get a diesel to pass. Refill the adBlue, fill the tank with engine cleaner and drive around in 2nd gear for a day or two, potentially get the EGR and DPF fixed

    And the same people will complain about an EV being inconvenient?

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,157 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    If they bought in a test to catch dpf removals it would be interesting.

    You'd have to say the govt show little interest in emissions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,995 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Roadside testing is probably all you could do and expect to work

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,101 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    No diesels likely perform to standard anyway. Same as they don't get quoted mpg or EVs don't get advertised range.

    You don't have to bypass the DPF between tests, just map it out and have a fake one in place.

    As above, this would be hard to test for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,157 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I would say not getting your range is not an equivalence with poisonous pollutants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭creedp


    Should they also follow the UK and get rid of EV grants entirely? I kind of chuckle when I hear that the Irish Govt should be following the UKs line on car taxation when we have always had far higher car taxation than the UK. Always remember the aghast look on the face of a UK dealer when I told him the £15k diesel smax I was buying off him would be subject to €7k VRT on return home.

    I've always hope and prayed that my own Govt would copy the really viscous anti car taxation policy imposed on our near neighbours. Who know, maybe one day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭josip


    The point is that having to do twice as many NCTs per year would be a way of discouraging people from hanging on to old diesels without increasing tax bands. "Ah, sure it wasn't worth the hassle any more hanging on to the auld Audi 80…".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,101 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    It's literally the same test (WLTP) that generates both figures. Direct equivalence.

    I don't think a regular NCT going every 6 months is going to do anything other than generate funds for the RSA and penalise the less well off. If a car passes annually it will pass biannually. Stuff like blanking EGRs, gutting DPFs etc has been around for nearly 20 years. If you map it out correctly and you keep the shell, it will still pass. Meaning the emissions are satisfactory as deemed by the relevant statutes. I think the limit in the smoke test is 3 (but I don't know the scale, or 3 whats)



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