I'd hate to think what the cost of motor tax will be on those cars in a few years time. Especially when the government of the day is faced with billions of euro in fines…
Not one red cent will ever be paid in “fines” in the context of carbon.
Edd China fixing a Leaf with a welded contactor instead of replacing the battery pack (£150 vs £6000 or so)
Probably could do it even cheaper by replacing the contactor itself instead of the whole assembly
Great to see some of the better known car mechanics on YouTube challenging the idea that a fault in the battery pack requires a complete replacement
Sure because the EU couldn't just deduct the fines from the funding they give us
https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121586463#Comment_121586463
Quote from last January.
I saw a talk from the Irish company goplugable and I quickly signed up while listening to the talk.
Today I got a phone call from a UK number while in work at 11:40am. The caller explained he was from goplugable and that someone wanted to pay to use my home charger. He said they cannot see my home exact location nor contact details until I approve. I asked when and he said 2-5pm today. He said I needed to approve in the app. So I went into the app, logged in, and found the request and sure enough today 2-5pm. So I approved them messaged the person with my mobile number and address, but I think they could see those details at that point. I also changed my zappi from night timer to instant. This could be done remotely from the charger app. The goplugable app suggested around 10 euro for 3 hours and around 20kWh of energy. This seemed to assume a 3 hour booking would consume around 7kW of energy per hour. This is a presumption in the app.
So then I waited. I could see on the charger app an EV charging around 2:30pm. I messaged the missus there may be a strange car in the driveway. The booked time was 2-5 but I could see from my charger it was actually 2;30-5:30 which may have caused a parking issue if we came home from work and wanted to use the space. We have plenty on street free parking so not a concern but may be for others.
After I reviewed the results. At the time of request I noticed no pop up notification from the app with a request, no notification at start of charging, no notification at end of charging notifications. Notifications are allowed for this app on my phone. No emails, no alerts, no sms etc. It's something they could improve on. I did not find the app that user friendly and difficult to contact support. It also does not give you a way of ringing the person using your home charger, just in app messaging.
The original price around 10 euro seems to be before their fee, then also vat is taken off. I may have underpriced my offer,when I actually thought when I set the price it was high enough to deter time wasters and more for those stuck or trying it out. My 10 became 7.24
The biggest shock was I can't get any money out until my balance is 50 euro. Considering I would be lucky with 1 user per year, it might take 5+ years before I have any hope of getting any money back. It might be possible to work around it by topping up to 50 then refunding it but I have not tested that.
This seems crazy, electricity costs alone were probably 5 euro, tipping into peak electricity pricing from 5pm.
Another surprise for me was the calculated units consumed according to their guess was 18.84kWh while my home charger said it was 20.69 units. Thus they underestimated the actual electricity consumption by 10% leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
Pricing from others seems to vary a lot with some that don't seem to understand the kWh rate structure, basically 7 units per hour. Many others are more expensive than public chargers.
I joined up for the thrill to test it out, and to help someone stuck on low charge where nearby public chargers were busy. I could radically increase my pricing but then it probably makes no sense to users. I'll probably just remove my home charger from the options list.
I did wonder could I mount a pedestal unit on the public street outside my house and start becoming a public charger provider, it could be useful to undercut ESB and for those nearby with no home chargers.
I do worry about goplugable's long term viability. Lots of similar apps with myenergi and zapmap going in on the home charger resell game, options in plugshare app to list home chargers too. I can't see it reaching critical mass alone as a stand alone app.
You know how Populist extraordinaires Harris and Martin love paying hard ball with their EU betters so now that we are substantial net contributors to the EU dream I can see them withholding our EU contributions in a protest response🤣
Motor tax changes cannot be retroactive
Why not?
Precedent. In ireland when we change motor tax assessment it is on a go forward basis. Look at 08, the revisions to the CO2 band.
That doesn't mean they can't do it.
They'll likely take inspiration from the UK changes.
They'll find a way to get the likes of the 520d off the road.
Well, if they are thinking like that, hopefully they get punished like the greens did for the drs scheme. I'm all for positive change to go forward, but retroactive change just punishes the less well off. Do like Norway (and what we have done in the past) Target new car purchases and trickle down the changes.
BMW did that for them, the g60 doesn't come in 520d anymore here. Jokes on us though, the 4.4 v8 M5 is now cheaper to tax and vrt than a 520d.
The UK just raised the tax rate for the 0 co2 rating,(or less than certain amounts) from What was zero to whatever it is now.
What they could do here is just raise all the tax bands by whatever amount.
If they created a new measuring scheme it would likely be not retroactive..
Or just increase excise on fuel, that's always the old trick isn't it?
In the the UK a new M5 will be around 700 euros to tax.
Quite something to be blaming the greens for drs when most of Europe already had it and your example of Norway has variations of it for decades.
Not entirely sure Ireland's going backwards on emissions is something to be happy about.
In terms of EVs in Ireland they have to be looking at the changes they are making in the UK. You'd have to say Irish govt is reducing incentives for EVs and BEVs. There's very little govt disincentive to buying a new client non hybrid ice.
They could require an emissions NCT test every 6 months for all old diesels instead of annually. NCT centres should have capacity for this additional test as more EVs enter the national fleet and hit the 4 year old mark. Initially do it for 20 year old diesels, a couple of years later reduce to 15 year old and by 2030 for any diesels over 10yo.
Not here though re the M5, I think it is 140 or 170, when a diesel car could be multiples of that.
My blame and problem with the DRS scheme is the implementation. My family is German and I would have been used to bottle returns etc as a child. How we managed to badly and shoddily introduce (and continue to run) something that works better on the continent for literal decades astounds me. I've been an EV driver for 10 years next year so I'm not exactly interested in us going backwards.
There is still a backlog of weeks to months at most test centers as it is. This type of thinking is not realistic to what's happening on the ground.
Sure people just bypass the DPF filter between tests so what's even the point in trying? I'll wager that a lot of diesels in Ireland aren't even performing to their manufacturer specs
In this weather the majority of them will have the emissions controls bypassed, so every diesel driver in a town is spewing a nice cloud of lethal particulates at any pedestrians. It's nicely at head height for children as well, keeps the doctors busy with lots of respiratory issues at least
Look at the hoops people jump through every NCT to get a diesel to pass. Refill the adBlue, fill the tank with engine cleaner and drive around in 2nd gear for a day or two, potentially get the EGR and DPF fixed
And the same people will complain about an EV being inconvenient?
If they bought in a test to catch dpf removals it would be interesting.
You'd have to say the govt show little interest in emissions.
Roadside testing is probably all you could do and expect to work
No diesels likely perform to standard anyway. Same as they don't get quoted mpg or EVs don't get advertised range.
You don't have to bypass the DPF between tests, just map it out and have a fake one in place.
As above, this would be hard to test for.
I would say not getting your range is not an equivalence with poisonous pollutants.
Should they also follow the UK and get rid of EV grants entirely? I kind of chuckle when I hear that the Irish Govt should be following the UKs line on car taxation when we have always had far higher car taxation than the UK. Always remember the aghast look on the face of a UK dealer when I told him the £15k diesel smax I was buying off him would be subject to €7k VRT on return home.
I've always hope and prayed that my own Govt would copy the really viscous anti car taxation policy imposed on our near neighbours. Who know, maybe one day
The point is that having to do twice as many NCTs per year would be a way of discouraging people from hanging on to old diesels without increasing tax bands. "Ah, sure it wasn't worth the hassle any more hanging on to the auld Audi 80…".
It's literally the same test (WLTP) that generates both figures. Direct equivalence.
I don't think a regular NCT going every 6 months is going to do anything other than generate funds for the RSA and penalise the less well off. If a car passes annually it will pass biannually. Stuff like blanking EGRs, gutting DPFs etc has been around for nearly 20 years. If you map it out correctly and you keep the shell, it will still pass. Meaning the emissions are satisfactory as deemed by the relevant statutes. I think the limit in the smoke test is 3 (but I don't know the scale, or 3 whats)
I've no idea why you think wltp has any relevance to catching DPT deletes. The NCT isn't catching them it should.
I don't care whether they pass the emissions test in their old diesel. I don't care whether they have the car mapped/deleted/whatever. If old diesel owners are happy to continue spewing NoX into the air after 2030, then I'm happy if that's made as difficult as possible for them.
You said diesels are not performing to standard. That standard is WLTP calculation. The same WLTP standards that give MPG, emissions and range.
There is no NCT test for missing DPF beyond a visual check. If you put a fake DPF (ie a hollow shell) it passes the visual check.
Why have a standard if it's rendered irrelevant anyway?
The country , nay, the entire western world, runs on diesel fuel, from california to berlin and from Barrow to Cape Town and all in between.
If your "making difficult", is a twice yearly test of standards that you state are irrelevant anyway, I don't think it will have any real impact. If anything, a 6 month space between NCT is more likely to keep older cars on the road, as there will be less chance for deferred maintenance to build up.
Why 2030? Nothing is going to change in 2030.
