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Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,607 ✭✭✭kerplun k


    lol, there’s no outrage. In fact i think this is one of the few things that most people agree on in here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭GolfPar


    Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭Quags


    relax lads the world doesn’t revolve around boards. From what I’ve seen there is outrage on twitter with people blaming fan cams, ten hag, ole but not the player himself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,307 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    The world doesn't revolve around Boards, true. However, basing public sentiment on the cesspit that was Twitter, now X, is daft. Boards would be a far better representation of the general feelings of most fans imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭NITRO95


    There is a disconnect at times when sweeping statements are issued with regard fan sentiment. Some people live and die by what's said on twitter, reddit, insta etc. That works both ways with Rashford. Sometimes it's all are happy to see him go, other times it's all he gets is abuse and hate. Bringing online outrage into this forum is as relevant as bringing in the racist abuse he receives online but never in here

    There's a fairly steady grouping of fans on here. We don't accept abuse of any kind. there's many heated debates but they rarely go OTT in either direction. It's better to discuss and dispute points that are made in here than to bring I'm talking points that are made on X but nobody on here would ever make



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭Quags


    Right, got it. If it’s mentioned anywhere but Boards then no point in discussing it as this site has fans who don’t abuse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,117 ✭✭✭Dr Turk Turkelton


    If he released that statement without prior consent from the club knowing full well the circus that would ensue after it I hope he's never again allowed near the training ground let alone the bench.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,226 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    In theory I kinda agree. If he just dropped that bomb a la Ronaldo then get him out te feck.

    But what we don't want and really can't afford in this time of trying to build not just a team, but a team spirit, is the ghost of Marcus Rashford training with the youth team, being photographed every 5 minutes whilst doing so and that being used as a stick to beat Ratcliffe, INEOS, Amorim etc.

    We saw it happen with Sancho and even though the vast majority agreed with Erik's stance on him, it dragged on for months because we couldn't get shot of the bugger and eventually Erik had to accept a very sketchy "lets just move on" rather than the apology he had insisted on.

    Rashford is a bigger star than Sancho ever was so banishing him to the reserves would be potentially very bad for overall morale especially with him being the home grown hero and with the press being the bastards they are. The same gutter journalists who slate him now would quickly change their headlines to "local lad forced out of the club he loves" when it becomes clear that there's more clicks to be generated there than by slaughtering Rashford for his poor performance.

    Berrada, Wilcox, Brailsford etc need to really earn their salt on this one and find a way for him to leave in January.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,941 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    I think it is more than fair to discuss outside talking points, but when you make a statement on here about fan sentiment without any qualification it also more than fair for people to assume the statement is being made about people on here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,226 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Amorim press conference at 9:30. He'll handle it well I'm sure as he seems to be excellent so far in pressers. But we may find out more on whether the club knew this announcement was coming from Rashford. I would doubt it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,941 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    He responded to a question regarding the brief from the club that they want to sell him, in January.

    How is it ok for the club to put out he's for sale, but not ok for the player to say he is ready for a new challenge if the club want to sell him?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭kyleman


    Fan sentiment here is probably fairly similar to most outlets.

    I’d say Amorim now realises the magnitude of the job at hand as he said on Sunday that winning against City was like an Oxygen balloon for the club, but instead of a few days of positivity the circus goes on.

    Probably our best league win in recent times against a top 6 club and the story always seems to go elsewhere.

    Can’t wait for football to resume.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,226 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Have you got a link to that brief from the club?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,226 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Reading between the lines, this to me suggests that the club will 100% be looking for a buyer, but they're not going to publicly say so in an effort to maintain some clout in the transfer process.

    It also comes across as kinda crazy that they have to keep trying different approaches to try and get a tune out of him.

    He either wants it or he doesn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    A few things on this. Firstly, to anyone who says that race is not an issue here then they need to have a rethink. Nobody in here (I hope) gives a toss what race Rashford is but the British press certainly do and they drive the narrative. Black players get a shorter rope in the press than white players do. So as soon as they smell blood, they will drive the narrative. Rashford I'd say gets constant racist abuse on social media. Every day I'd suspect.

    Rashford has been out of form for a considerable period now. He has one really good game this season I think with some average and a number of poor games. He has made a rod for his own back at times too to be fair. His body language is awful which feeds the perspective of some fans to say he doesn't care. I personally don't think that's the case. He comes across to me as a pretty complex chap.

    In mitigation for him, the club has been a shambles - bouncing from manager to manager all of whom differed from their predecessors on style etc. It's been a terrible environment to try and succeed in and be consistent.

    I'm on record here stating well before the City game stating that I would worry for the likes of Garnacho and Rashford in this system. They are not ready made for it and are going to have to change to fit but I do think there is a place on that inside left position for either of them if they want it enough.

    I think Amorim has played a blinder with this though. He has brought the situation to a head now and in a positive way. Either Rashford (Garnacho to a lesser extent too) responds and we see him get back to the levels we know he can reach or else he's gone. Despite the quotes from him yesterday, I don't think he's a certainty to leave. Personally think it would be a real shame for him to go but he has to step up now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,941 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Sure you could see it immediately, before any comments from Rashford.

    The papers on Monday morning were concentrated on Rashford being dropped, and for sale, rather than the victory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭randd1


    In all fairness, Rashford has had one outstanding season (22/23), and two good seasons (19/20 and 20/21) at the club. Even at that, there were times in this seasons where he went right off the boil.

    Outside of that it has been injuries which obviously can't be held against him, inconsistent form, and very often poor form.

    He's played at least 40 games a season for the last 8 seasons, bar a injury hit 21/22.

    That's a long time to be, well, average at best, even if he was young starting out.

    As talented as he is, he has been, overall, an average player for United. And average is not good enough for United.

    Throw in lack of effort as is often the case, and United are better off without him.

    Talent without attitude and application is a waste of talent, and unfortunately for Rashford and United, his talent isn't matched by application (he's still not the greatest finisher, and still poor on his left), and certainly not by attitude.

    It's time for him to move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,338 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    I cant think of any big club that gets behind a player as much as United.

    Any player that gave 100% was always supported at club or when they moved on.

    Rashford got backing for years.

    Personal issues and behind scenes can effect players. Only human.

    But backing a player who not trying for years now when things don't go their way kinda draws line.

    And labelling fans with certain slurs or digs about him, or implying because of what he is just comes across as childish and weird when no evidence with other situations.

    EVENFLOW



  • Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This is a fair, well balanced look at it.

    I disagree the system wouldn't suit him, there's basically players there to do the running inside and around him.

    Garnacho I think has needed a style adjustment for a while but would potentially be a good RWB. Hasn't been tried so far and I'd wonder (completely speculatory) if he was asked to try a new position or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,374 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    🚨👀 𝐁𝐑𝐄𝐀𝐊𝐈𝐍𝐆! “Amorim, Rashford says he’s ready for a new challenge… is he LEAVING?”.

    ↪️ Ruben Amorim: “Marcus is RIGHT! We have HERE a new challenge, the BIGGEST in football”.

    “We are in a difficult situation. I hope all my players are ready”.



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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,907 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Mod: Lads, final warning on the snipping. Attack the post not the poster.

    I think we can all agree also to park the racism issue as I don't think it's relevant or helpful here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,941 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Yeah, I though the inside left position would be PERFECT for him. Aiming him between the full back and the cb, rather than attacking them from the out side. A WB to provide an overlap (his best periods have come with Shaw, our only LB in the last decade, but injured for half of it) and a striker to play off and Bruno to play off.

    But… its just not happened. He got played up front, he got played on the right side and when he has played on the left side he has also disappointed for the most part.

    My view was if he couldn't kick on under Amorim, it was done for him cause I just don't see a style that should suit him any more. I can't see how you could build a team around him, and come up with something different to what Amorim would look to do.

    Massively disappointed he has failed to kick on and show why I thought he deserved a chance in a 'proper' United side, properly set up to get the best out of its players. And while I think we are still a ways from that, Rashford has done nothing to suggest we shoud persist with him going forward.

    IMO - every decision we make now should be with the idea of
    'Will this player be a key starter or key squad player in 3 years time, in a side that can compete at the top end of the table'. If the answer is no - put them up for sale. If the answer is maybe - consider any offer that might come in for them.

    Right now, Rashford is a no for key player, and a no for even squad player on this performance level. So sell him.

    I just also think there would be value in discussing what are the possible reasons it hasn't worked out. What went wrong. Are there lessons that could have been learned. The answers could just be that he is actually just rubbish at football and a lazy person who doesn't care. I personally think that is too simplified, but it is the narrative that is the concencus opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭Caustic


    It certainly looks like rashford gave this interview without the clubs knowledge and while not as bad as the Ronaldo piers thing,.it's just adding to the circus, like Sancho and his tweet last year, hopefully he is fined behind the scenes and we can ship him out on loan in January,.I'd say the club aren't happy about it and Rashford proves again he can't just keep the head down and work hard.

    Almiron handled it well pushed it all back on rashford that he needs to work hard and there is a way back for him but I doubt it somehow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,226 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Well played by Ruben. As expected to be honest, he's really good with the media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭Quags


    Also if he does go, who is out there that can come in and take that position? Or does the club spend it on a CF or CM (Ederson of Atlanta linked heavy last week) and hope Garnacho comes into his own for that LW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,941 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    I think we would need to buy.
    And that person competes with Garnacho, but we'd need SOMEONE imo. I think it would be foolish to put all our eggs in a Garnacho basket when, imo, there is a good chance he doesn't fit and will want out in a few months himself.
    Who, no idea really. Cunha seems like the obvious PL based candidate. Williams, with a 48m release clause will be linked I assume, but a tough get - I reckon he ends up at Liverpool or Barca.

    But what type of player are we looking for. A natural winger? An inside forward? a number 10?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭Caustic


    Garnacho is better suited to the roll anyways he is a much more intelligent runner the manger said it himself, it's why garnacho gets into so many good shooting positions other players that play his position don't. Obviously he would need to improve a lot on other areas but he can.

    The manager looks like hed play mount and Amad in the 10s anyways, you'd have Bruno, garnacho, Erikson, so rashford wouldn't need replacing in the squad.

    If we were buying you imagine the money would go towards a lwb most likely



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,307 ✭✭✭✭PARlance




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,226 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Yeah he's similar to ETH in terms of reputation and expectations but he seems to have the determination (and support) to stick to his system through thick and thin, and he's the polar opposite in terms of personality and media savvy.



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  • Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Amorim said that Garnacho is a more intelligent runner than Rashford?

    You think Eriksen, Bruno and Mount are similar options in terms of style and/or availability to Rashford? Seems to prefer Bruno deeper for the moment anyway.

    He's started Mount twice and predictably he's injured again.

    Zirkzee can play there but he's the 2nd choice striker.



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