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Israel closing their embassy in Dublin *Read OP for Mod Warning added 19/12/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭thamus doku


    the problem is no irish government has never called out the Chinese leadership for what they do to millions of their own people. China is too powerful to criticise.

    That clear hypocrisy from our political leaders is why people will say Ireland has a problem specifically with Israel and antisemitism.

    How can you defend that narrative, when there are nations like Saudi Arabia getting the soccer World Cup and our government is silent on this, also silent on Qatar World Cup.

    Syria under Assad committed terrible crimes against their own people and that has been known for years but where was our governments strong stance on that , also silent because they did not want to annoy America, the UK, France and Turkey.


    It’s the hypocrisy I can’t stand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭deravarra


    Isn't it just as well that even a small group of first nation people sent grain to us when we were starving during the famine?
    Or should they have minded their own business and let us starve?

    That notion of shutting our mouths hasnt served the irish well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭deravarra


    that statement is as valid as saying the church has a problem with sex.
    My answer to both idealogies: it doesn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I was often hoping it was about a minority. But there was a time, I've even seen the Palestinian flag flying over city hall (!). ( and no arguments here, I've even have taken a photo of that )

    For a country like Ireland which is apparently "so proud" of neutrality, at least official politics should also be neutral on this conflict as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭threeball


    So we're somehow abusing people who don't even live here? Yes, the numbers are tiny and the antisemitic sentiment is even smaller. Dislike for zionist pricks is quite high though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,480 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    But Israel has been colonising the West Bank, Arab East Jerusalem. the Golan etc since 1967. Thats not 'defending herself', thats aggressive expansionism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Israel claimed Ireland crossed Israeli red lines. Anyone have any Idea of what the red lines were?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,063 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Australia has a significant Jewish community, but the government is not supportive of Netanyahus unfettered butchery and agression.

    It might have slipped your notice that when the Israelis' targeted and destroyed a humanitarian aid convoy, killing 7 aid workers, one of those killed was an Australian citizen. A lot of Australians were not pleased.

    Australian Foreign Minister Penny Wong said Canberra would continue to press for "full accountability" -- including potential criminal charges.

    A mural in Melbourne to the mudered aid worker:

    Untitled Image

    Yeah, great frinds Australia and Israel:

    Australia changes position to support vote demanding Israel end occupation of Gaza, East Jerusalem and West Bank.

    The resolution, passed by the UN General Assembly, also calls for an end to all new settlement activities and for settlers to be removed from the occupied territory.

    Benjamin Netanyahu criticises Australian government amid reported rift

    Israel would probably like to close it's Australian embassy, but hasn't got the guts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 878 ✭✭✭blackvalley


    Shame that with our reputation as an honest broker and our history of oppression and conflict resolution we couldn’t have offered ourselves quietly and diplomatically as an agent for discourse and discussion in an attempt to help resolve this awful situation.
    BUT sadly in the age we live in and an impending general election that would never work. Virtue signalling and posturing superseded diplomatic common sense.
    We now find ourselves totally on the outside with no ability whatsoever to influence the outcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,997 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I suggest you look up the history of the formation of Israel and the purging of Palestinians since the 1940s.

    It really isn't as simple as portraying all Palestinians as Hamas or Hezbollah terrorists and all Israelis as besieged freedom fighters .

    Like our own ' Troubles ' there is a bit of a back story on both sides.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,997 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Why " should we " ? ?

    There were justifiable complaints about this in the past , thinking of the Magdalene Laundries, abuse within the Catholic Church and other institutions run by Church and State , not to mention Ireland turning its gaze away from what Hitler and his regime were doing the Jews at that time .

    The hypocrisy now of some of the same people saying that to criticize murder of innocent's by its own military and regime is us being somehow " nosy" or " anti semitic" is ironic .Its laughable and a bit pathetic .

    As long as everyone was criticizing the appalling events of October 7th it was fine , but the continued reaction to that of Netanyahu and the IDF bombing of homes and hospitals and killing women children , and starving the remaining Gazans while they're shunted north, south , east and west on the small strip of land , picking off those who are not killed by famine and disease ...it's disgusting and horrific.

    Post edited by Goldengirl on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    We never had any influence to change the outcome from the inside though. By sitting back and allowing Israel continue on it's it's genocide, ethnic cleansing, starvation, collective punishment etc…. won't change the outcome. Maybe with Israel closing the embassy, it will focus the world media on why and bring more scrutiny on Israel.

    I still see Ireland as an honest broker, calling out potential war crimes no matter who committed them, Russia or Israel and not falling into the 'west is bad' trap the far left seem to fall into etc…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Do Harris & Martin really believe that Irish people who are adversely impacted by policies of the Irish government will forget about those policies just because the government is supporting an international court case about a war that is nothing to do with Ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭Slightly Kwackers


    I don't think genocide and people being butchered with British, Israeli and American instruments of war are of much concern in Ireland currently.

    Being a member of the human race, I tend to think human rights are pretty important.

    Well done to the government!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Anyone who calls Ireland's position "virtue signalling" is a snivelling coward who think no one should act or speak unless they can affect immediate real change. Like everyone should know their place and just accept genocide since they aren't in a position to stop it.

    I'm sure Israelis and Jews aren't of the opinion that that's how people should have acted when they were being persecuted throughout history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭sandbelter


    YYou might check your spelling first.

    Zomi's mural in Melbourne has only had one ABC 7.30 report and was painted precisely because she was being forgotten.

    Sorry, but Australia is a country with multiple natural hazards, it teaches you don’t put yourself at risk. Going to war zone is seen in the same light as swimming into an empty croc cage. Even though Zomi’s work was commendable, there’s been very little attention of her in the mainstream.

    As for breaking off diplomatic relations, nope not even being discussed. “Government sources say (the foreign minister) has tried to steer a careful middle path, avoiding “extreme” policy demands … including cutting off diplomatic ties with Israel.”

    Source: www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/inside-the-fiery-meeting-that-would-define-the-government-s-relationship-with-israel-20241209-p5kwu7.html

    There you go, this points to Australia regarding the statements coming out of from Dublin as ‘extremist’, and breaking off diplomatic relations is not going to happen. Because, most of all it’s counterproductive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,042 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Shuts embassy in fit of pique.

    Now they can get on with the business of killing small children without bothersome Ireland having an opinion on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,795 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    I always thought that's a myth about Dev commiserating about Hitler



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,302 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    no we shouldn’t. You don’t turn a blind eye to genocide.
    BiBi ie wanted by the same courts that prosecuted nazi war criminals. Does that not say anything?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    I don't believe that most Irish politicians, and indeed people, realise the depth of American support for Israel, from all religious and ethnic backgrounds, regardless of what barbarous crimes the Israelis commit. That's why I believe that in the anti-Israeli policy that our government have adopted, they have forgotten their main interest, which is the welfare of Irish citizens and the Irish economy which pays for same. I went online to look at what some 'ordinary' or 'extraordinary' American people are saying. From Breitbart which is 'an American far-right syndicated news, opinion, and commentary website'. Totally biased I accept, but an interesting insight into how so many Trump supporters view this episode and a indication of how people in the incoming administration might behave towards Ireland. 418 people, many of Irish ancestry, contributed, a miscellany of fact, fiction, exaggeration and vitriol. A few excerpts;

    'I am deeply ashamed , for the sake of my dear Irish mum and her family , ashamed that the Irish government are pursuing a sham legal proceeding based upon anti-semitic propaganda . "How dare the Isaraelis defend themselves ?" There is no justification for this frivolous lawsuit .'

    'Morality has always been a problem for some Irish nationalists, with the IRA happily working with Hitler in World War 2 against the British. Until the Nazis gave up on them for being utterly incompetent. But allying themselves with the cause of Hamas, after their mass rape and murder attack on civilians in Israel, is a new low. Those images of a few surviving Jewish women staggering along with blood all down their trousers clearly do not bother the Irish government.'

    'To say nothing of the thousands of Irish citizens who joined the British military to fight Hitler. When the war was over and they came back home to Ireland, only to discover they were hated and discriminated against. The Irish legislature, the Oireachtas, apologized to them 58 years later. In 2013, the Irish government formally apologized for the way they treated Irish men who fought in the British Army during World War II, issuing a pardon to those considered "deserters" for joining the British forces, recognizing the unfair treatment they faced upon returning home due to Ireland's neutrality during the war. Ireland is a country today that matters less than the Seychelles.'

    'Ireland elected a Muslim PM whose wife was visiting a family in Gaza during October 7th Think about it. The highest state official has a family in Gaza. Also, why would anyone visit a “concentration camp” while on vacation? Anyway, Ireland, please remember the Lord is real, when you sink down to hell under Sharia law.'

    'Ireland claimed to be neutral during WW2 but allowed the Germans to refuel their Wolfpack submarines there.'

    'When news came through on 2 May 1945 that Hitler was dead, Ireland's leader Eamon de Valera called on the German Minister, Eduard Hempel, 'to offer condolences' on his death. Nothing but sympathy for the Nazis was behind this, since Germany had absolutely lost the war, Russians were moving into Berlin, and the German armies surrendered a few days later. Ireland today is hideously antisemitic.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭kazamo


    Out of curiosity, when is this kindness shown to Ireland by others ?

    Was it when 1 million died in the famine while food was being exported.

    Was it when 1 million emigrated after the famine and landed on foreign shores ……did the local population provide free bed and board for months and years on end ?

    Or maybe you are referring to the more recent financial crash when bond holders had to be paid and we got charged over 5% bailout with profiteering from the UK, Germany and I think Sweden ?.

    Our FDI has nothing to do with charity or benevolence of others……it is down to a cheap CT rate, educated workforce who speak English and a fairly stable society and climate.

    I do agree somewhat about grandstanding but bombing civilians is wrong regardless of whatever reason and to do it for 12 months is unjustifiable in any circumstances.

    As a nation we cannot moan about Bloody Sunday and then switch off when another bully does what it likes.

    I cannot see justice ever happening re Gaza but continued bloodshed only creates future bomb makers.


    This is a very very rare occasion when I agree with the government stance.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,990 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    This is all nonsense. Just highlighting one part of one sentence…

    That's why I believe that in the anti-Israeli policy that our government have adopted

    …maybe you can point out details of the Irish Government's anti-Israeli policy. Is this policy shared across all government parties?

    Or are you deliberately confusing the Irish Government's condenmnation of genocide with a policy against the Israeli people?

    As for you quoting ill-informed sh1te such as "'Ireland elected a Muslim PM whose wife was visiting a family in Gaza during October 7th Think about it." - would you like to name this Irish PM to us all?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,990 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    We should be minding our own business.

    Really? 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,303 ✭✭✭crusd


    Repeat after me: Criticising Israeli government action =/= Anti Jewish.

    And Intel will be looking at their investments within Ireland and Israel and thinking - "which country has the secure supply chains." That is all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 441 ✭✭myfreespirit


    You misunderstand Ireland's neutrality - the state is militarily neutral, it does not become involved in fighting wars. This policy originates from around 1939 and has been consistently applied by successive Irish governments over the years.

    The state is NOT politically neutral and regularly speaks out about human rights issues, as it should do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 643 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    About 3500 according to news reports this morning



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 441 ✭✭myfreespirit


    Why are you posting illiterate, ignorant, ill-informed total nonsense from Breitbart and other lying sources?

    It does nothing to advance or support whatever viewpoint you have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭threeball


    Exactly this. The type of people that don't give a toss if kids are getting blown to bits as long as their bottom line isn't affected come Friday. Pretty sick attitude to have.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Sure there's a genocide and mass war crimes, but won't someone think of Intel.



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