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Israel closing their embassy in Dublin *Read OP for Mod Warning added 19/12/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,713 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Well, I regularly watch French and German TV and it was on ticker tape on the main evening news this evening. I didn't see any sign of any approval of it either: Ireland is regularly portrayed these days as having a slightly problematic relationship with antisemitism and Israel.

    Such as here:

    Or Le Soir which is Belgian (I haven't found this article in English, but the point is that they put the Israeli point of view first, and the rejection by Simon Harris of the claims that Ireland has been engaging in anti Israeli actions right at the very end)

    « L’Irlande a franchi toutes les lignes rouges » : Israël ordonne la fermeture de son ambassade à Dublin

    People remember the headline, not the bottom of the page.

    I haven't made any attempt to see how it is being portrayed in the US, because their news sources are so variable, but I think we can be sure it's not being more favourably portrayed in the US.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    There is no European stance. Different Europeans like Spain are actually in agreement with our stance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭threeball


    Well at least we're down one terrorist group masquerading as a country on our soil. Any other terrorists including the Russians can pi$$ off too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,795 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Good riddance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭threeball


    The Israelis blame everyone for antisemitism. Who gives a shít. Near 50yrs in this country and I've yet to see or hear anyone of Jewish descent getting abuse.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,713 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Irish Americans are mostly third or fourth generation now. Joe Biden's generation is probably the last to be strongly attached.

    (I suspect there's a similar effect with American Jews, but the feeling that Israel is an insurance policy for Jews in case of future pogroms, or Nazis, will probably mean that there is support for Israel's response to Oct 7th, which is generally seen as being a response to an existential threat to Israel.)

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭mulbot




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,713 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    And have you asked any Jews that? How many do you actually know? Ireland has so few Jews that there's little chance of you coming across one being abused. The real question is whether they can be open about their Jewishness, like wearing the kippa in public or the Star of David. And I posted a link to a lad who did get attacked for exactly that.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,651 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    So what? What exactly is it that makes you think a noticeable portion of the tourist market, or even the FDI market, would give a crap? I suspect 90%+ of the population in the States won't even know this has happened.

    Again, I find the Irish obsession with having anything to do with an issue we have no influence over to be mildly nauseating. But this is going to have zero impact on Ireland and no rational person would portray it as anything other than Israel throwing their toys out of the pram.

    I would like anyone who claims this is some international relations faux pas to point out one material impact it will actually have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭sandbelter


    No chance, Australians see the Israelis as the victims here…..they like the Israelis, have been at the sharp end of Islamic terrorism ……additionally there are a significant number of Jewish voters live in at four federal electorates that will decide the Federal election due to be held by May 25. Supporting this would literally change government in Australia.

    In fact in Victoria is about to join NSW to make it illegal to protest near a synagogue or wear a mask to prevent identification at a Gaza rally.

    Sorry Ireland, you’re very much out on your own on this one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,063 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    But it's not just Ireland's opinion, Israel are pissed at Australia, Spain, Canada and several others which like Australia, are taking action against them in UN votes and ICC and ICJ actions.

    Israel is unmaking friends at a truly historic rate and has lost much of the blinkered international support it undeservedly had for decades.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I dunno about that. I met a yank over the summer whose ancestors left these shores in the 1820s. His love for Ireland was immeasurable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,384 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Hardly any Jewish people living in Ireland.

    De Valera's expressing condolences with the German Ambassador upon the death of Hitler didn't entice many Jews to come here after the war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭plodder


    I would have been a supporter of Israel in the past, and I found the reaction from people (including Pres. Michael D Higgins) to the Oct 7 attack to be depressing and predictable. Of course President Higgins knew (like I did) that Israel would react with fury and vengeance. For me, that didn't forgive his equivocal response. Two days after the attack the president started his statement with:

    “May I, as President of Ireland, lend my voice to those internationally that have called for an immediate end to the killing which has, since Saturday following Hamas’ attack on Israel and the response to it, included so many civilians, young people and children, as well as older members of families… "

    "and the reponse to it" .. two days after over a thousand innocent Israelis were murdered ..

    Israel's response since then has been depressingly predictable as well. To Israel, Palestinian lives are clearly worth less than Israeli lives. They are taking their revenge for Oct 7 on innocent Palestinian people, with no other discernable purpose. I also reject completely the conflation of criticism of Israel, with anti-semitism. War crimes have been committed in Gaza (if not Genocide).

    That said, I understand Israel's view that Ireland is not a neutral party here. Ireland is against Israel and pro Palestinian. It's hardly surprising they would close their embassy in that situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,701 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    I have to say I have alot of concerns about this governments stance on Israel and how it will be perceived by the Trump administration.

    If this was Harris or Biden, I wouldn't give a **** but Trump is just dangerous and vindictive

    I really wish this government would just follow the EU stance and just shut the **** up tbh.

    The Israelis always has the ear of the USA administration and it will significantly more with Trump.

    I very much worry about the multinationals but even small things like St Patricks Day when the Irish government has that opportunity every year to have one on one with the US President but that could be jeopardy because of this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,384 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Our main trading partners and source of economic wealth support Israel - The United States, Britain, Germany and France.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭deravarra


    Ireland is not anti Israel. Ireland is against Netanyahu's regime. It's moving to the very far right to facilitate Netanyahu's desparate attempts to cling to power.

    Screaming anti-semitism at Ireland is a base and wrong accusation. We stand for the oppressed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    During WW2 when the Nazis were having a go against the Jews, many Jews found refuge in the Republic of Ireland.

    It's sad that parts of Irish society are so strongly supportive of Palestinians, especially if Hamas and Hezbola have been terrorizing Israel many times.

    It's also sad that any support for Israel in Ireland is seen as "British" by parts of the Irish society.

    I find the Palestinian flags in Ireland utterly disgusting. It's the worst part of Irish society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,480 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    And Israel has been just innocently going along, I suppose…



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,990 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,384 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    The census figures show hardly any Jewish people living here. A tiny fraction of the population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Yeah, just keep any green or purple haired staff away from them or heads will roll.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Future pogroms?

    You mean like say a pogrom where locals try to defend themselves against visiting marauding zionist football hooligans? The worst type of pogrom there is!



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,990 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Israel has the right to defend herself, same as the Ukraine. Or same as Ireland against the British, back in the days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,384 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    I suspect it didn't help. A massive mistep by Dev.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    This is a known fact. Also the German ( Nazi German ) embassy remained open in Dublin during WW2, - same as the Japanese one. In both cases it would be seen as a security risk.

    There is only verbal account that flags flew on half mast in parts of Dublin, when Hitler died, but no evidence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭Lord Baron Lane 8


    The Irish Government do not speak for me about Israel you could see this happening a mile away. the Israel embassy closing in Ireland we are being run by a shower of hoodwinkers In the Irish government look over there Israel instead we have corruption & human rights abuse ,abuse of power all over in Ireland in government agency etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,201 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    A minority in this country who happen to shout loudest have always been obsessed with this conflict far above any other.

    It has nothing whatsoever to do with us and yet we prance around making declarations, statements and getting involved in court cases etc.

    Now we are being portrayed as a nation of jew haters when a majority of people in this country just want to get on with their lives and would prefer we looked after this place first and foremost.

    It's never good for a tiny country dependent on the kindness of others to be pretending it can involve itself with the big boys in geopolitical matters and not expect consequences.

    We should be minding our own business.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Israels "right to defend itself" argument is most closely mirrored in their buddy Russia's right to defend itself against Ukraine.

    It is currently bombing the sh1te out of random locations in Syria on a (hollow) excuse of pre-emptive defense against a new government which hasn't even fully taken over, and has already explicitly indicated that it is not interested in fighting with the zionists.

    Spokesperson here questioned about it at 20:50 in



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