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US Healthcare CEO Murdered - Please read mod note at OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,958 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    Tragedy for the estranged wife and kids and wider family yes, no question, but also a blow for the common man against the elite.

    Whether it achieves anything, other than a few data centres of speculation etc, is debatable, but he needed to start somewhere.

    Am not condoning it but I can relate to it, especially after formative years of bullying and physical violence in school, with no redress at that time.. but I did balance the books somewhat over the years, have one more score to settle.

    Much of the hand wringing here is by folk who have no idea what its like to be at the coal face of this sort of stuff.

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,368 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The handwringing here is what usually ensues when one of the peasants dares to criticise their betters. They don't care about the coal face, real Americans or the cost of healthcare.

    I doubt this will achieve anything beyond a small bump for the private security industry.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,924 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    I doubt this will achieve anything beyond a small bump for the private security industry.

    If nothing kicks off while tensions are high the revolution is unlikely. I don't see CEOs being dragged onto the street and beaten to death by the crowd. A bit of bread and games for the crowd and everyone can go back to taking the piss under the new administration. Maybe they take it too far next time.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,368 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Tensions aren't really that high though. Nobody is starving, the country is reasonably secure and people struggling to afford healthcare in the US is like people in Ireland complaining about the rain. Of course, there's the next four years so I could be wrong.

    The economy is doing well and that can mitigate a lot of aspirations a lot of people might have but if it falters or deteriorates for too many people, things could get ugly as they did between 2017-2020.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,076 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    this is literally the definition of condoning murder.

    I’m absolutely baffled as to how being bullied in school is the same as the US heath insurance model.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,301 ✭✭✭plodder


    After a drizzly hike through one of Japan’s lush mountain ranges earlier this year, Luigi Mangione, a computer engineer in his mid-20s who had set off on a long solo trip to Asia, paused to record a voice message to a friend he had met while traveling abroad.

    Making his way that day along a river gorge in the Nara region, Mr. Mangione had fled his day-to-day life in Hawaii to soak in hot springs, meditate, catch up on books and do some writing of his own.

    Quite the privileged upper class lifestyle there.

    If anything good comes from this, it could be that the Democratic party goes back to its roots fighting for the common man and woman.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/12/us/luigi-mangione-gunman-united-healthcare-shooting.html

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,423 ✭✭✭yagan


    Balancing the books can mean outgrowing a trauma.

    You're projecting a meaning onto it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,924 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Like I said, I don't see widespread CEO lynchings and the chances of any repeat assassinations are only going to decrease with time.

    I can't see the next administration easing off the throttle on the orphan-crushing machine but Americans seem to have a higher tolerance for injustice than we soft Europeans do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,933 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Doesn't sound like the sorta person who would have issues with healthcare provision, which makes why? even more potent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,283 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    So it turns out Luigi Mangione never even had United Healthcare insurance.

    Plus one for the hypothesis of a rich, privileged kid who was never affected negatively by health insurance and whose best excuse for his act is that he’s a psychotic killer.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,323 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    As a rich kid i would say it is likely he is not affected by health insurance industry. Not like lthe plebs suffering from medical bankruptcy. To throw your life away like the killer has you do have to be looney but he has shown how hated that huge company is and brought to light some of their dirty practices



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,506 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    Could the insider trading have had anything to do with the murder. The company was due to be sued for an insane amount of money. Does that lawsuit die with the CEO? Or maybe he takes that blame for it all now that he's not around anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,323 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Just because one of the suspects is killed doesn't mean the case is dropped for all. Like many famous assassinations in america it just shows how hard it is to protect famous people from lone wolf attacks.

    It appears they have their man. Only question is how he knew where brian Thompson was staying. There is no evidence yet that there is any greater conspiracy involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,036 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Didn't he say something about 'social engineering' or whatever that phrase is hackers use to describe things like calling people up and asking for their passwords? Wouldn't be surprised if he didn't call the Press office @UHC asking for Mr. Thompson's interview schedule that day, while posing as a Journalist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,800 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Ya,I can think of loads of ways off the top of my head. Could just have called and said he had an appointment to meet him at his hotel but had forgotten the hotel.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,183 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    sounds like a guy who is pissed off with life and/or sociopathic, decides to take out the figurehead of the industry he's pissed off at. not the ideal choice for a supposed folk hero…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,323 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 504 ✭✭✭NiceFella


    Read what I said. The backgrounds of both is irrelevant to the reasons why Thompson was killed. If he was born rich, we'd still have the same result.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,368 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's going to be amusing if corporate media decide to abandon their pro-gun stance because one percenters may be in danger.

    The USA is uniquely set up for this sort of thing with hordes of disaffected people combined with the easy accessibility of firearms.

    As for how he knew where Thompson was staying, I would guess that he knew he'd be speaking at a specific venue and then followed him.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,076 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Yeah, in the rush to conclude this guy was some sort of avenging angel striking a blow for the little people, the possibility that he's just a dangerous lunatic was somewhat overlooked.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,283 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    No I’m saying it’s a false problem. He’s been made into a folk hero in the media because enough people decided that’s how they wanted to see him/portray him. No money needed.

    If the American people really wanted their healthcare system to change there’d be similar numbers of posts and mainstream media articles and as many enraged responses to all the tragic personal experiences that various people have had.

    Instead like gun violence there’s little interest most of the time. But lots of people ready to jump on the bandwagon of calling a murdered CEO “scum” and a worm (and oddly, nobody has been sanctioned for that, unlike my ban for being rude about President Higgins).

    So it seems like people are mainly thrilled at the idea of getting one over on Da Man, rather than in effecting social change. Shockingly that includes Irish posters who have no skin in the game but are still eager to express delight at the murder of a man, apparently just because he was too successful for their liking.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,283 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Or maybe a clever psychopath wants to kill somebody so he chooses a victim he can pretend somehow deserves to be murdered.

    And the darkly amusing irony is that a whole bunch of people who are against the death penalty and who criticise US gun violence clap along like trained seals just because the dead guy is someone they can also pretend deserved to be murdered. Clever Luigi. Stupid people.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,368 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Corporate media losing its mind and revealing its arrogance truly is something to see:

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    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,323 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    It's amusing because most people don't seem to be buying their nonsense. Brian thompsons company is large enough to negatively affect so many ordinary people over there that they are not going to be shedding any tears for his demise.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,368 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Exactly. I saw outraged comments about the cost of healthcare on a Ben Shapiro video of all places. The grifters have become intoxicated by their own arrogance.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,323 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    In fairness to these grifters, the health insurance industry doesn't really affect them so they are just supporting unregulated capitalism.

    Vigilantism is bad. But if brian Thompson had been run over by a truck no one would be calling him a working class hero.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,368 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Of course. I'm just amused to see Shapiro fall victim to his own hubris.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,924 ✭✭✭✭kowloon




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,368 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    There's the old adage about never ascribing to malevolence that which can be explained by stupidity but I'm inclined to go with both here.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,183 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    do bluesky links work yet?

    "North Carolina’s Atrium Health says it will forgive the debts of 11,500 people — less than a week after NBC News reported that the company has aggressively pursued former patients’ medical debts, placing liens on their homes to collect on bills."

    https://bsky.app/profile/nbcnews.com/post/3ld5jmi762c2f



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