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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,809 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tree


    I love Shelly, but it all depends on what you need. Plus upgrading the wifi to handle all the extra addresses is a pain (but done now, for now)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,689 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    In my new energised quest to get rid of Zigbee, have any of you used Bluetooth devices. I was looking through the Shelly website and they have load of Bluetooth devices Smart Bluetooth Products – Shelly Europe

    On further investigation if you have Gen3 devices such as relays etc they can act as a Bluetooth proxies…I have a good few of these already installed around the house and putting in more…whats people experiences of these have ye got any.

    I think it will be more stable than Zigbee and looks like a good option for any low power devices.

    Hardwired first, then Wi-fi, then maybe bluetooth in order of preference 

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,097 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    I'm still not convinced that BLE (Bluetooth Low Energy) is better than ZigBee. ZigBee was contrived as a mesh and routable network for low powered devices; it should function better and be more resilient than BLE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭Squeeonline


    I would be concered that it won't take too many wifi devices to clog up the spectrum and cause interferance.

    I've got 35 odd devices in the house on zigbee over 3 levels. Works very well with a few minor glitches (sensors occasionaly refusing to connect and needing to be reset quickly). I would look into z-wave before Bluetooth or wifi if I were to start again. It works over a lower frequency so won't interfere with all the other 2.4ghz networks and should have a better range with more penatrating power.

    I don't see as many devices for it though which was the main reason I stuck with Zigbee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 929 ✭✭✭WildCardDoW


    Best thing would be for the electrician to provide a photo of work done.

    Looking at your diagram it's very basic setup, despite what others are saying it doesn't mean it was wired wrong though. As you'd imagine the sparks would know.

    Perhaps look at the output from the circuit v what Shelly can handle / requires.

    Some good info here:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ShellyUSA/comments/1bjuke3/comment/kvucamc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,246 ✭✭✭micks_address


    Yeah to be fair he was in a hurry and it was an add on I asked him to look at. He said he would come back again and have a look. When he had time to look at the instructions he figured out where he went wrong



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,689 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    Nah Im sick of Zigbee the theory is great but if one of your routers is turned off (missues pulls out your smart plug or even philips Hue light) then the whole network goes into termoil and drops devices. It goes into spasm trying to figure out the best route. I wouldnt mind so much if they drop off every now and then, as I only have temp stats and one or two motion detectors but its trying to get those f**kers to reconnect can be extreamly frustrating. I dont know how long I have stood over a aquara temp sensor pressing the pairing button 40 - 50 times taking out the battery going away and coming back the next day and one press it reconnects. I have three Aquara buttons that switch on a number of lights and turns off in the evenig and every few weeks it will drop…and then I get the Family moaning and groaning "This stupid switch isnt working etc etc"

    I wont go mad into Bluetooth just yet but I already have a good few Shelly relays that can act as proxies so I just bought one of their buttons and a motion detector. If it works and stable I will get a one or two more buttons as these are the critical ones the the fam uses all the time and they have to work.

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    Im not worried about my Wifi network it can more than handle it…I have 5 Unifi access points and run a UDMP. I have just also ordered 4 wifi Tado smart plugs to replace my zigbee ones. That saying I wont get rid of the zigbee newtwork just reduce the critical devices if possible off it.

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭DC999


    AFAIK HA doesn't support wifi Tado smart plugs. It does support the TP Link Kasa ones I think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,097 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    I have around 40 WiFi devices made up a mix of a few laptops and phones and then a rake of IOT devices on two AP's -32 are active at this time. No issues with bandwidth. So it can be done fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,689 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    Sorry youre right its Tapo not tado!!…I have two of those TP Link Tapo plugs already and they work a treat in HA

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,153 ✭✭✭paulbok


    Those ZigBee smart plugs likely work as repeaters, so you will weaken your network removing plugged in devices



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,246 ✭✭✭micks_address


    Has anyone used a Bluetooth repeater with home assistant?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭niallb


    I have an ESP32 doorbell controller running esphome and have bluetooth proxy running on it.
    Works brilliantly for BLE sensors. Is that the kind of thing you were thinking of?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,246 ✭✭✭micks_address


    I was looking at a Shelley plus plug. Plug it in upstairs and it connects to home assistant over WiFi but would allow Bluetooth devices to connect to ha via the Shelley?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,809 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tree


    I have Shelly 1PM and Shelly plugs working as BLE repeaters, zero issues, very happy with them.

    Disclaimer: I am a big shelly fan.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,809 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tree


    Oh, and on the wifi thing, we have about 50 entities at any given time (mostly my shellys), biggest issue is when something falls off the network (due to dead batteries for example) and some other device picks up the lease. Trying to assign static ip's more consistently helps a lot with it (and battery assistant…)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,097 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Static all the way, no point in going for DHCP as it just adds to the confusion and network chatter after an outage.

    If people need more static IP's than 256 (I know I do), just expand the subnet on a standard router from 255.255.255.0 to 255.255.254.0 and then you have from 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.1.256 (512 effectively).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,097 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    The MET.ie integration is back working in 2024.12.0, available now.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,246 ✭✭✭micks_address


    am i right in thinking with the shelley plug plus, i can add that to my wifi (via the shelley app) then add to home assistant using the shelley integration, if i disable my usb bluetooth plugged into my ha server.. ha will use the shelley plug to connect to any other bluetooth devices?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭niallb


    Thats pretty close to how it works for me. I'm using esphome rather than a Shelley firmware, but I think your devices are compatible.

    Sorry not to get back to you earlier, but I took a quick look for the plug plus and didn't find a certain match. Any chance there's an 'S' after it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭emaherx


    I Haven't used Shellys as Bluetooth proxies myself but I have read that they only work for sensor type devices and not actuators like switch bots or blinds etc. Basically will only listen for Beacon type devices. (Entirely possible it has changed since with firmware updates).

    On the other hand they are designed to be easily re-flashed with custom firmware like ESPHome.

    Technically you never need to use the app with Shelly as they have their own webservers (but obviously you can too).

    I have used OpenMQTTGateway with RuuviTags, all though it didn't have a high enough sample rate for the project I needed it would have been perfect for most HA applications.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,246 ✭✭✭micks_address


    This is what I've ordered

    Shelly Plus Plug UK, Smart Plug with Power Metering, Remote Control Socket, Max 3000W (13A), Bluetooth & Wi-Fi, iOS, Android, Alexa, Google Home, SmartThings, LED indications, Custom Schedules

    https://amzn.eu/d/fcMz4O3



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,246 ✭✭✭micks_address


    Shelly plug arrived this morning - i connected it to wifi and enabled bluetooth gateway. It popped up in home assistant and i enabled bluetooth scanning there. I disabled the bluetooth usb dongle i have plugged into my home assistant server but I loose bluetooth connectivity then. I tried repairing some bluetooth devices but they arent found. Renabling the bluetooth dongle on the HA and they pair again. So it doesnt look like the shelly is working as a 'proxy'? from what ive seen you shouldnt need bluetooth on the HA server for the proxy to work? It should translate the bluetooth connection over wifi back to the HA server?

    I dont have ESPhome configured on HA - i tried adding it as an integration using the IP of the plug as the ESP host name but that fails.

    Thanks,

    Mick



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,097 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    I haven't played with it as I don't have any BLE devices other than my phone, but I have tonnes of Shelly's. I presume you can use and detect your phone with the original dongle, what changed did you need to make within the HA app to be able to detect the phone? I can have a play later today if I get some time.

    I dont have ESPhome configured on HA - i tried adding it as an integration using the IP of the plug as the ESP host name but that fails.

    You don't need ESPHome unless you have ESP devices running ESPHome firmware (and native Shelly isn't an ESPHome device).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,246 ✭✭✭micks_address


    i probably dont need proxies at all.. but i have a bluetooth controlled extraction fan in the bathroom upstairs. It works via home assistant but sometimes i feel like the range might be an issue. i added that via the bluetooth dongle ive in the home assistant server. I disabled that via the bluetooth integration this morning and tried adding the fan again but it wasnt picked up by HA - i thought it would pick it up via the shelley plug. im not actually sure you can control devices via bluetooth proxy - i think initially at least it only supported reading sensors etc?

    looks like control isnt possible at least via the shelley plug.. i wonder is it possible via esphome32 device/firmware?

    https://community.home-assistant.io/t/home-assistant-bluetooth-proxy-setup/789735



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,809 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tree


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    You turned on the passive/active bluetooth proxy from here in HA? (that threw me the first time)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,246 ✭✭✭micks_address




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,246 ✭✭✭micks_address


    Hi folks,

    Got my shelly 1 mini gen 3 wired in today. It's wired above light as didn't have space behind switch. Is there a switch like the hue dimmer I use for my hue lights that will control the Shelley and has a mount for over an existing switch?

    Like these?

    Screenshot_20241207-170457.png

    Cheers

    Mick



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭emaherx


    ??

    The whole point of the Shelly is you can use the existing switch.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,246 ✭✭✭micks_address


    Without a permanent live with the switch off the relay won't have power to activate the light? I guess the preference is to wire behind a switch so you can work it with the switch off?



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