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Friendship Ending After a Decade; Would Like Feedback

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    You're not being generous OP, you're trying to buy him into your life, for your own gain and not his. I don't think you even realise it but that's what you're doing so I'm not trying to be hard on youm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 friendship_issue


    Fine, I accept that. I went too far to try and secure his presence in my life.

    I made a mistake, and I own up to it.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,854 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    He was your friend. He is no longer your friend. You need to stop thinking of him and referring to him as your friend.

    I get that it's complicated, especially when feelings and emotions are involved. But he has made it clear now where you stand with him. You need to focus on the future. Not the past.

    That's easier said than done, believe me, I own that t-shirt!! But time will help, and focusing on what's good in your life. Grieve what you've lost, but don't dwell on it. You have what seems to be a lovely and compassionate partner. Direct your energy towards him. Ultimately you will be happier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 friendship_issue


    When I asked to be paid back 2-3 years after I lent him €1,000 for dental treatment, he blocked me (though as I said before, he did pay me back €300 of it when I first visited his country). 2-3 years later after that block, we restored relations (he felt at the time I was too aggressive in asking to be paid back).

    Some would say I was wrong to contact him again, and that's fine. But I did, and things turned out well for quite a number of years.

    Whether this is a similar situation where we go our own way, and then eventually get back in contact, I don't know. I suspect this case is permanent but who knows. I didn't expect to re-engage with him after he blocked me the first time etc. Apparently after the first block he said he did try to find me but couldn't (due to blocks etc.).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,441 ✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    He said you were too aggressive in asking to be paid back so he blocked you. He didn't find a few Bob to chuck your way, he blocked you and wiped you from his life. You say in your opening post you were in a bad place yourself. Do you mean you could have done with the money back? And instead of understanding where you were coming from and making efforts to protect the friendship by repaying the generosity you showed him - he blocked you.

    This time you challenged him on his behaviour towards you when he came to stay with you, so he blocked you again.

    You're mulling over what happened and even examining your part in it. Why isnt he doing the same? Why isnt he re-examining his behaviour and messaging you with apologies?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Use it to learn, and to grow. It's an easy thing to let happen in our lives if we are lonely or vulnerable or even just empathetic.

    But don't let it go too far, concentrate on other people. Best of luck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 476 ✭✭sin_26


    Listen... carefuly. This guy mastered manipulation. I'm 100% sure if this after his email. Call yourself blessed by this experience and use it properly in your life. End of story. Dont look for validation or victimise yourself just cop on. Life is life.

    Now... Look for psychological help where you could develop assertiveness. That's all.

    Best of luck



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭SineadSpears


    OP what is the purpose of you contacting him again?

    Are you still attempting to get back some of what you think he owes you?

    Is it solely the friendship you want to get back, because it means that much to you?

    Or is it that you want to contact him to clear your name because you think you look like the bad guy for what you said to him? Maybe it's out of character for you to get angry.

    If it's the latter, then you should understand that people don't shout nice things to each other when they are angry. Everyone that has ever had an argument with friends/family/colleagues always regret some of the things that were said. It happens in the heat of the moment after everything builds up and you are no longer thinking rationally.

    If you never said those things to him, you were still thinking them because of his actions. Even so, it doesn't make you the worst person in the world. You had good reasons to think them.

    Yes, some of the things you said were too close to the bone, but you were angry - it happens. You've apologized, more than once, but I wonder is that the reason you keep trying to "fix" things between you. Are you afraid he will tell people that you are a big bad wolf that shout nasty things at others "for little or no reason"??

    Can you break that down sloooowly please



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,732 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    I'd go so far to say that this "friend" is now gaslighting the op.

    He's using all the classic deflection and blaming techniques to absolve himself.

    To thine own self be true



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,532 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    Hi OP.

    I've read the whole thread and I'm sorry this is putting such a strain on you. It's admirable that you aren't giving up on the friendship, but if this guy really cared about your friendship, he'd be willing to talk it out with you. Between his final email to you and his lack of response to your follow up emails, I'm afraid the friendship is gone.

    Putting my cynical hat on, it sounds like he knows the mask has now dropped and he sees no value to himself in continuing the friendship. I know you said you didn't mean the 5am outburst but there is always an element of truth to these things even if the words used may be over the top. He knows you've seen him for what he is, and that the cycle will just continue of you realising you've been taken advantage of and then freaking out. To put it frankly, it's just not worth the bother to him now.

    Last thing I'll say is that it's great that you have your partner, and I would suggest you focus on that. Even if you grew up not having many friends, the fact you have him means you have more than most people who grew up lonely.

    On a personal note thank you for sharing this because holy ****, I thought my fall out with friends was bad!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 friendship_issue


    Part of the reason was to try and at least salvage the friendship, in some way. Part of it was to express contrition at my role in ending it (i.e. my vicious outburst) i.e. had I not done that, the trip would have ended smoothly and there never would have been a rupture. Ultimately I should have behaved more responsibly and tactfully in approaching the matter. Aggressive outbursts cast a bad light on me as a person, and I do to a large degree feel guilty about that. So I guess it's a combination of both. I guess with time this guilt will subside.

    For what it's worth, I haven't send any new email to him since the last, nor do I intend to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    I think the consensus view on the thread is that there never was an actual friendship, not on Mr Faroe's end at least. Therefore there is really nothing to salvage OP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    The trip would have ended smoothly? Are you joking?

    The guy treated you like a doormat, and took advantage of you. Even if you hadn't had an outburst, you still felt aggrieved, so it wasn't smooth.

    The sooner you realise that people like him, who leech off you, are not worthy of your friendship, the better. Learn from your mistakes and move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,441 ✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    Why are you being so kind to the friend with the 'no friend is perfect' excuse, but not allowing yourself the same? Nobody is perfect. If a friend treats you poorly, you're going to get to the stage where you've had enough. Whether you walk away silently, address and move on or have an outburst and move on, it's never going to leave you feeling great. But you're only human and you'd had enough.

    There are friendships that need to end. Over time when you look back you'll see how onesided and unhealthy it was and you'll beat yourself up for staying in it for so long when all the red flags were there and you ignored them. Box the friendship away and move on. You'll be happier for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭SineadSpears


    •Great, at least we know now that you understand the money is long gone and probably won't ever be returned - no point keep asking for what you won't get.

    •Next - you miss the friend you had, even though he takes advantage of you.

    Do you not have a higher standard of friend closer to home? Why do you put so much into this friendship? Even if you have a lot in common & "click" there are still parts to the friendship that are not to your liking.

    Does the business idea have anything to do with it? Did you see something in him that you needed for that purpose? Because I still can't understand you considering 50% of a business idea with someone who is not trustworthy, whether that be a friend, family member, neighbour, etc..

    •I'm sure you acted tactfully before your "outbursts". His actions pushed you to the point of stooping to a level you are clearly ashamed of. You can't shelter yourself from these things happening in life. You'd need to be living on island alone to completely avoid situations that might cause you to get frustrated or angry at another person.

    •lastly, you done yourself no favours here by mentioning how attractive he was. It had no bearings on anything that went on between both of you.. No wonder so many people latched on to the idea of you having feelings/ being in love with him.

    ...I wonder, maybe you wanted him to model the front page of a new "hot Faroe men's magazine" ?? 😉

    Can you break that down sloooowly please



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 friendship_issue


    Looks like I made a massive mistake.

    In contacting his ex-fiancé, I received only 30 minutes ago the following message from him (he unblocked on Facebook to send me this):

    You got some big balls. Are you really trying to poke a person with nothing to lose.
    Don't make it my life objective to ruin you. You got me on the **** edge and I warn you. Don't push it. Nothing good comes your way at that point. If I hear that you've messaged {ex-fiance name} or any of my family members again on any matter what so ever. Then you've pushed it past the point of no return. Who knows, maybe the boogieman will wait around the corner, waiting patiently for the perfect opportunity to maximise the impact, maybe something else. The list of opportunities are looooong and I'll have a blast while doing it.

    Definitely staying away from him now - even if it's a fake threat. I thought I was helping a friend. I never would have expected what amounts to a threat to my life (or at the very least, a threat to me physically):

    I responded as follows:

    In fact, I'm a little scared by the message above. I won't contact {ex-fiance}, even for any casual chat that doesn't involve you, any further. Though despite what happened, I still want you to be happy and successful, and hope this manifests in the future - which I'm certain it will at some point. I apologize for any stress I caused you and wish you the best going forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,732 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    Christ on a bike. This reads like a Fair City plot. Just please stop reacting to him. At this stage you're both as bad as each other for carrying this too far.

    And I mean that kindly.

    To thine own self be true



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 friendship_issue


    I wasn't expecting any response from him whatsoever. His "closing email" made it clear.

    I didn't think talking to his ex-fiancé would have led to that threat at all. Especially after all that I have done for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    In the last 30 mins you received a threatening email and already responded with a really nice email of your own already wishing him success?

    Come on, you're an absolute walkover when it comes to this guy your reply told him (and us) that if he wanted he could walk straight back into your life if he wanted. You're still hoping for that even if you won't admit it, clear as day to everybody here.

    Stand up for yourself, or stay silent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 friendship_issue


    He threatened me, so I had one of two responses; either I comply and agree to his demands, or I don't.

    As it happens, I thought it best to comply whilst at the same time wishing him well in his future - which I sincerely believe anyway.

    It's clear that he sees no opportunity in us being friends again, so why would I do anything other than the above?

    Though yes, if it were possible, I would restore the friendship with him. But it's clearly not possible now. He doesn't want that, and so I should accept it.



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭TherapyBoy


    ”Definitely staying away from him now..”

    Swiftly followed by:

    “I responded as follows..”


    Stop.

    No replies. No last thoughts. No “closing emails”. No casual chats or further apologies.

    Just stop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,140 ✭✭✭sporina


    i really think you need to talk to a professional - there are deep rooted issues at play here - this is not about your "friend" - this is about "you".. and what's going on with you..

    if you had no issues you would just walk away…

    whatever you decide to do, be good to you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭Tork


    Though yes, if it were possible, I would restore the friendship with him. But it's clearly not possible now. He doesn't want that, and so I should accept it.

    I'd love to know where your red line is when it comes to dealing with people who treat you badly. We can only hope that you've unwittingly managed to finally get rid of this man from your life. Let's hope he doesn't calm down and remember what a soft touch you are. You would happily let him back into your life, even though anybody with an ounce of self-respect would block him forever and learn from the experience.

    Your refusal to entertain the idea of therapy is frustrating. This isn't a one-off, and even though you declared that you would never let such a thing happen again, you're lying to yourself. We know it and so do you. Are you afraid of delving into why you are the way you are with a trained professional rather than hiding behind a screen and posting anonymously on boards?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,441 ✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    No OP, there was a third option, to not respond at all. None of us are obliged to respond to every message we get. Especially when the message you got is threatening or in any way unpleasant. Havethelastsayitis isn't always the way.

    No matter what anyone says to you, if this guy - despite taking money from you, blocking you, using you, blocking you again and now threatening you came back to you you would welcome a friendship with him. Raise your standards when it comes to friends. Because this is so one sided and unhealthy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭JIdontknow


    You really really are not seeing things clearly… STOP and think about things, and your actions… You are justifying every response when sometimes there is no validation or justification. What did you really think you would get from contacting his ex, to cut the back off the guy, when the ex was collecting him from the airport I believe you said?? Within 2 sentences they would be talking about you, yeah friendship_issues said this and that, oh I know all about it, he messaged me about it… Oh, what did he say, etc….

    Ok, his behaviour was terrible, but at this stage yours isn't much better. Please, leave them ALONE and look at your own actions and behaviour. I think most people on here originally had sympathy with you, but are now turning the opposite, so that says something.

    Contacting his ex, sending him multiple messages afterwards, etc. that's not normal behaviour. Sorry if this is harsh but it seems nobody here can get through to you. PLEASE STOP and focus on what you have, before you lose what you have around you with this obsession…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 friendship_issue


    I won't contact him again going forward. I said what I needed to yesterday.

    Similarly, I see no reason why he would want to message me again, as I have no intention of contacting his ex about the matter regardless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,915 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    No offence, OP, but we've heard this before. Several times. Always just before you turn around and contact him again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,532 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    I'm sorry OP but I've been through this to a degree, and you will contact him again until you start to value and respect yourself. You need to talk to someone to help build yourself up because you are putting way too much thinking into how this one person views you.

    I know you said you didn't grow up with many friends but I've no doubt you have people in your life that absolutely love you, you're partner included. Focus on that and just let this person go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 friendship_issue


    Counter to the claims of some, I don't spend my time "obsessing" about this person.

    I have plenty of other things going on in my life day to day, both with other friends and work and life generally etc., to even allocate that much time to one person.

    But this is simply a problem I wanted to raise, especially given the financial circumstances involved.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    I won't contact him again going forward. I said what I needed to yesterday.

    And the message was: welcome to abuse me more.

    Similarly, I see no reason why he would want to message me again, as I have no intention of contacting his ex about the matter regardless.

    He will, when he needs a sucker…



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