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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 Martt


    I Would like use for this thermostad same wires what I had hub controller (L N V1)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 Martt


    I would like use for this thermostat same wires what I had hub controller



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,642 ✭✭✭deezell


    Put a short link from the new thermostat Live to 4, then connect V1 wire to 5.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 Martt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,642 ✭✭✭deezell


    Wifi is only suitable for mains powered devices as it consumes too much power for battery operation. The Tado uses a low power wireless signal independent and secure from WiFi. This connects to the very small device that comes with the kit and plugs into your router ethernet port. It has a small power supply, or can be powered from a router USB port. This device, known as the Bridge, connects the router internet to all Tado devices, wall stats, the wired receiver box, smart radiator valves etc. Vastly superior system to hub, and you can set different temperatures for each heating time slot. All with no subscription. You might catch the Tado bug and start adding smart radiator valves to control the heat in individual rooms. Best of luck.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,301 ✭✭✭✭dulpit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,642 ✭✭✭deezell


    Br careful on the € site. The extension kit doesn't have HW relay, it has the OpenTherm though.. I've just got an email follow up to that link apologising for sending me the wrong site, and sending me to the /ie version of the UK site in £, which is still their way of sell8ng to us despite repeated complaints to them that we're € and in the EU. Some of the prices are way over, £84 (€101) for the wired that's €79 on the € link. Wireless with HW though is also £84, so that's better than the € site non-HW Wireless kit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭ddub11


    Hi guy,s

    Does anybody know if the hub controller has a back up battery in the unit?.I have one and its crap so was trying to replace it with my original analogue timer (for now).

    So got a friend round(electrition)and somehow forgot his phase tester,anyway i knocked all trick switches on circuit board and no matter which switch we knocked off when i connected the faceplate onto the unit it lit up as if there was power going into it.

    Any thoughts would be appreciated tia,also any recommendations on a similar unit to the hub thats not tied into subscriptions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭kopkidda


    Deezell thanks for your input here, installed new tado wireless there and working nicely.

    When I use the smart schedule it looks like I have to program both the hw and ch for the same time block for the heating to switch on,is this correct? I have just a normal boiler that heats water and rads at same time.Its wired same as you have in your pic ,l,n and v1.Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,642 ✭✭✭deezell


    Remind me of that pic. You've replaced the hub with the extension kit receiver of the Tado? The last picture I posted of a Tado extension kit on this thread was February '23, which was the old model with a backplate. The new extension kit has direct wiring terminals without a backing plate. The connections to this newer extension kit are N, L, a link from L to CH COM, and the V1 wire goes to CH NO. If you previously had no method of heating HW without CH, then you won't have any connections to the HW relays. During configuration you should have followed these instructions, configuring just the CH relay, yellow lamp, but it shouldn't really matter if you've wired the CH relay as I described above. And ignored the HW relay terminals. Post a pic of what you've connected.

    Screenshot_20241122_191704_Adobe Acrobat.jpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭kopkidda


    Ye followed instructions,this is the way it's wired, it's a new ext kit just has the box and you screw this to the wall. I'm probably doing something stupid with app as only getting used to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭kopkidda


    I have a glow worm 18si ,I've just seen your configuration step there ,should mine be set to the yellow option? Single one? It was set to the green one ,the default. Thanks

    Update: won't work with yellow setting,back to green, glow worm is a system boiler it seems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,642 ✭✭✭deezell


    Yes, a system boiler just heats the hot flow to rads or HW cylinder or both. Have you only connected the N, L, the Link and V1 wires, no other wires to any of the HW relay terminals?

    If you're only using the ext kit to fire the boiler for CH, configuration shouldn't make any difference, any call for heat on the app CH, scheduled or manually, should close the CH relay and supply live to fire the boiler. The yellow configuration should prevent the HW schedule from being activated in the app. The green allows both relays to work independently to according to their schedule, with a motorused zone valve fir the hot flow to rafs or HW cylinder. Blue is used for gravity mode, where the HW relay (with live link to HW COM) closes and fires the boiler for either HW or CH schedules, while the CH relay only operates a pump or motorised valve to allow hot flow to the radiators, thus allowing HW only heating in the summer. Do you have a phase test screwdriver? Check that you have live going to the teminal marked L and not N. Are you saying that the boiler will not fire unless you switch on the HW timer as well as the CH cimtrol? Were there just exactly three wires in the old hub connections? The issue you're describing sounds like you have a 2 zone system with gravity mode, with a wire each out for HW (boiler firing), and Ch ( circulation pump and/or motorised valve to the rads). Such a system connected to a two zone controller with out gravity mode selected would indeed require the HW relay NO (normally open) terminal to be live at the same time as the CH terminal, otherwise only the pump or zone valve would operate without the boiler firing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,301 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Ya, there's a battery in the hub alright. Not sure how long it lasts when there's no power, but it does for a bit anyway.

    I replaced my parents with a tado system as discussed here. Was a very easy replacement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭kopkidda


    Thanks for detailed response deezell. Yes only 3 wires into old hub ,n,l and v1. When I stuck it into config yellow the boiler threw an F1 error,so won't be using that one,will leave it on green,I don't mind having to set both the Ch and hw schedule for it to work, will mess around with it the weekend and see. Least I can now schedule it to come on ,not like the hub. That used to work well on the app and then for the last year by using the hub box itself ,had to boost all the time as many on here have said, then the day I bought the tado the hub box itself wouldn't even light up ,like as if it was bricked. Thanks for putting me wide to the tado, got it for 95 in screw fix.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,642 ✭✭✭deezell


    Fair enough, but there is something very strange going on with the wiring which would require some tests with a meter to solve. Meantime, try the blue gravity setting, which should put live to both HW and CH terminals for a CH call, even though you've no physical wire connected to the HW terminals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭Marhay70


    Finally managed to get the damn thing off, and this is my setup behind it. How do I get the wires out from the back of the hub controller, is that setup with the connectors legit in the back box?

    I assume the wired starter kit is the way I need to go, basically all I need is to be able to put the heating om and of or maybe set it to come on for a couple of hours?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,642 ✭✭✭deezell


    It's a bit messy. No need for the white back box., scrap it. Have you temoved the hub unit from its own black backplate? Its not clear in the photo. That will give you access to the terminals screws for L, N and V1, brown, blue and black, but you can just snip the wires close to where they enter the backplate. They should be long enough to reach the L, N and CH NO terminals on the starter extention kit receiver. It may be a squeeze to get it between that fused spur and the corner, but you can mount it vertically if you want, should fit then. Don't forget a link from L to the CH Com terminal on the receiver.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭Marhay70


    Yes, I separated the two parts, eventually found a little plastic plate which gave access to the terminal block and I was able to disconnect the wires. A friend of mine had an old immersion switch which we fitted, so at least I have heat now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭terencemc


    Sorry to interrupt the conversation. I moved into a rental last week with a hub controller so I'm new to this debacle. Am I right in thinking that I will never be able to link the touchscreen to my phone? I am presuming the server in question in the screeenshot does not exist anymore as the company is in liquidation…

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,642 ✭✭✭deezell


    Yes, it and Climote are dead ducks, businesses set up on the strength of huge energy credit subsidies, which allowed them to litter tens of thousands of houses by empowering the energy suppliers to put them in 'free', while electricity customers ultimately paid. The products were non competitive in a free and open market, so when the credit bungs disappeared, their business models were built on sand. Last I read they had tweaked it to work without a subscription, manually I presume, while the receiver tried to find a buyer for the rapidly diminishing subscribers base.

    Are the servers turned off? Does it still work as a basic manually operated stat? If it's non functional, then the landlord will have to sort it. If it's still working as a manual stat, you could ask the landlord to swap it for a new Internet connected stat. Show them this.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/high-court-hears-10000-homes-may-be-left-without-heat-if-firm-ceases-trading-1620341.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭terencemc


    Thanks @deezell . Yeah the landlords suggested it may give us trouble as it has been liquidated alright. I can operate it manually which isnt the worst. I assume the servers are turned off as it has connected to the wifi fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,642 ✭✭✭deezell


    This wired Tado will replace the hub with minimal diy effort. The small bridge device connects directly to the router by a supplied short ethernet cable, no WiFi. The stat then pairs to the bridge for app access. Maybe buy it and put it in with landlords help. He might be keen as he knows what he might pay a heating company for a replacement. He can refund you if you leave.

    https://www.screwfix.ie/p/tado-v3-smart-wired-heating-thermostat-starter-kit/447ht



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 scsei


    My Hub has completely given up the ghost. Have just been using it manually since the app has gone down, but today the Hub has totally died. Not waking when the screen is touched, no life at all. Is the Tado wired hub the easiest solution for me?

    A very, very basic DIYer is how I'd describe myself. Is the Tado wired hub a swap I could do myself?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,301 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Take the hub off base plate, you'll see a few wires. Unscrew them. Get the tado, those wires can then go into that. Jobs a quick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,642 ✭✭✭deezell


    Live and V1 on the Hub to COM and NO on the Tado, Neutral on the Hub is is unused on the Tado, so park on the P terminals on the Tado baseplate. Prise the Hub off it's baseplate from the left side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 scsei


    Sorry for being such a newbie, what do you mean by park the neutral?

    Also, is this the appropriate kit to order when just doing a swap of the hub? https://www.screwfix.ie/p/tado-v3-smart-wired-heating-thermostat-starter-kit/447ht



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,642 ✭✭✭deezell


    That's the correct kit. The terminals marked P are used to park unneeded cables. Tado is powered by battery, as mains neutral is often unavailable if replacing a mechanical thermostat, so the neutral wire to the Hub is not required by the Tado.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 scsei


    Thanks for the tips, great help. Having trouble finding somewhere with stock for immediate collection, would this work no?

    https://www.screwfix.ie/p/tado-v3-wireless-heating-hot-water-smart-thermostat-starter-kit-white/141kt



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,301 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    That's what I got to replace my parents hub. Works a treat.



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