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Lost channels? Look here for transmitter/reception issues

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,323 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Thanks. I think there's some type of splitter/amplifier in the attic, I'll try take a look at it this evening. 4 TV points in the house but I only use one of them (other TVs in the house are just Smart TVs, Chromecast etc, not connected to the aerial).

    Haven't been in the attic in a few months at this stage so haven't done anything which would have disturbed whatever's up there, which is why I was guessing it's the outside aerial on the chimney.

    There's also a dish on the back of the house but that's been there since before I moved in and is unused. The TV point in the Living room has a connection for it as well but again, never used.

    It's something that got progressively worse since about last Tuesday. Some channels were coming in really badly (especially HD channels), some were a bit glitchy but not too bad. The Irish channels were kind of the same; they'd be mostly fine but then could become absolutely unwatchable 10 minutes later. At this stage, there are nearly no channels that are in any way watchable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,990 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Is there power to the amp?

    Bypass the amp to 1 TV, how is the signal after bypass?

    Also check any accessible connectors, that they're intact and secure.

    Amps can fail so best to check there first before considering the aerial.

    20 year old aerial, what type, pic if possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,323 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Okay, took a quick gander in the attic, so this is what I'm working with:

    The wires are a bit jumbled above so hard to find out which wires go where, so have no idea which of the four from the splitter is for the TV I use. Will try take another look when I've more time this evening. Also no idea what that combiner yoke is, possibly from the unused satellite dish?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,323 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Okay, so from the 4 way amplifier, cables 1, 2 & 4 go to different TV points. Cable 3 goes into the combiner along with the cable from the dish, and then goes down to the main TV socket which has antenna and sat TV points.

    Can't bypass the amp as there are different connections on the wires going into the combiner, and wire is too short to plug directly into a TV. There is a light on on the amp so I guess it's working, I turned it off and on at the plug too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,990 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Light on the amp simply indicates there is power there, not an indication that it's amplifying the signal correctly.

    If the satellite dish is no longer in play I'd remove the satellite/terrestrial combiner and use an F-joiner to join the two terrestrial cables together.

    To bypass the amp pick-up one of these f-f coax joiners locally (supermarket /hardware shop) - https://www.freetv.ie/coaxial-coupler-1s/

    Are the two aerials on the roof still in use, one I assume is for reception of the UK channels from NI?

    Can't see the reason why there's two aerial combiners on the mast, one would suffice for two aerials. Could they be masthead amps powered by the unit in the attic?

    How many cables are coming in from the aerials?

    Looks like a mixed old/new setup, brown coax is old low grade cable. Grid aerial is probably a old wideband, pre the release of the upper TV band frequencies to mobile in 2012.

    What is your recommended Saorview transmitter?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,323 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    One cable coming in from the aerial, straight into the amp at the side and then splits with the 4 cables. I'll see if I can get a coax joiner tomorrow. Recommended saorview transmitter seems to be 42, 45 Clermont Carn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,990 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Do you get the Freeview channels via the aerial also?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,323 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Yeah. All Freeview, HD etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭Oscarziggy


    I have roughly the same set up but using a combiner behind the TV with Freeview from one aerial and Saorview from another aerial —- no amplifiers but 2 cables coming into the house into the combiner.

    I had exactly as you describe and replaced the combiner with a A/B aerial switch and the problem went away — I have to flick the switch to change aerials but that's not a problem.

    I never got to the reason why the combiner upset things — one day it would be 100% signal then in the blink of an eye the picture would break up and disappear with the signal strength bar showing No signal,weak signal or excellent signal strength.

    I never lost my Freeview signal as that is a very big signal — I'm 160 miles from Mt Leinster.

    As The Cush says it looks like you have a combiner on your aerial stack with only one cable coming down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,323 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Never had any issues in the 9 or so years I've been here. That's why I'm having to do so much checking about what the current setup is; never had to look at it before. Even forgot I had a satellite dish on the back of the house. I must have become blind to it. Which is why it's so weird that it all went haywire and why I assumed it must be the antenna outside and weather had caused an issue with it, only thing that made sense to me. But worth checking everything else first before getting someone out to get up on the roof.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,990 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Entropy. The tendancy for everything in the universe to turn to **** eventually, happening for you at 9 years, bugger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,323 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Okay, we've mostly gotten there now.

    I managed to bypass the amp and now all the Saorview stations are back. Daithi O'Se in HD not normally something I'm so happy to see.

    But, now when tuning the channels, the Freeview channels aren't being picked up at all. Not even in their scrambled "No signal" form. So I'm guessing bypassing the amp means it can't pick those up. But at the very least I assume the issue is indeed with the amp and a new one should bring them back.

    Cheers for all your help The Cush! If you want to PM some revolut details or anything I'll fire you over enough for a few pints.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭Elvis Hammond


    The distribution amp is presumably supplying power to the masthead amp for the Freeview aerial. (The green box under the grid aerial.) There will be no signal from this aerial without this powered, so you'll need to make sure a replacement distribution amp also has line power for masthead amps.

    Faulty masthead amps can be a source of interference too, so it could be the case that taking this out has fixed things for Saorview.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,990 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Can we assume there's separate masthead amp and combiner on the mast?

    If so the distribution amplifier is powering the masthead amp. What is the model no. of the distribution amp.

    @Penn The fault could lie with the masthead amp. This might require an aerial installer to check and replace the masthead amp



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭Elvis Hammond


    I'm not assuming anything. The top box is an amplifier, the bottom is the diplexer/combiner/whatever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,413 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    This announcement broke into Radio 1 on 87.8 at 11.47, and two minutes later as I was writing this, the station went off air. Not affecting other stations from Clermont at this time.

    Due to essential engineering work our Clermont Carn transmitter will be subject to complete outages of up to 30 minutes between 11:00 and 16:00 on Monday 25th November 2024.This work will affect all Saorview and FM radio services from this transmitter site.2rn apologise for any inconvenience caused by this necessary work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,323 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Just to close this out, I got a new distribution amp on Saturday and fit it. Most of the Freeview stations came back fine, some didn't (depending on what channel they were coming in on). It was the same yesterday. However today for whatever reason, all perfect. Maybe it's due to whatever works were going on at Clermont Carn as posted above as that was the transmitter serving me, but not going to question it. All is right with the world again anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭Oscarziggy


    Are you now getting the Freeview channels again?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,323 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Yeah, all channels back I think (or at least all the main ones). Some channels can be glitchy at random, maybe need to retune the telly or reposition the amp in the attic, but for the most part it's all back to normal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭Oscarziggy


    Glad you got it sorted - sort of !

    Your problem rekindled an interest in why my set up plays up —- I have a new combiner / diplexer arriving tomorrow !



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,323 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Might get one myself, or maybe bypass it as I don't use the dish. At least I'll have addressed pretty much everything I can internally at that stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,990 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Bypass the combiner if you're not using the dish, it adds loss into the cable. Use an F-joiner to join the cables.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,515 ✭✭✭SCOOP 64


    Can you still get ITV+1 , couldn't find it last night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭Oscarziggy


    Masthead A/B Combiner - LMD3740P Labgear.

    Arrived and fitted now I don't have to get off my backside to switch aerials .

    Good quality unit and in my case in the dry behind the TV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,413 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭Oscarziggy


    Penn

    To avoid any confusion the Masthead A/B Combiner - LMD3740P Labgear would replace the combiner on your aerial mast not the satellite dish one. I'm at a loss to know how your masthead amplifier is powered.

    Anyway - as long as it works for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,323 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Ah yeah, I meant just replacing the combiner in the attic for the dish & distribution amplifier, but as per other posts above, I'm better off just bypassing it entirely. Not going to do anything to do with the aerial externally unless absolutely necessary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,323 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Huh, just went uop to check and I had already bypassed the combiner. Must have thought to do it when I got the new amp.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,160 ✭✭✭John mac


    Any news on Castlebar transmitter? not picking up anything on channel 25 RTE1, 22 is fine for RTE2 ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭Oscarziggy


    Here's something I don't understand . I live about 160 miles from Mt Leinster and under "normal" conditions get a good signal on C23 and C26 receiving everything available.

    As soon as there is a "lift" as in the last few days I can be watching RTE1, for example, with a "high" signal when in the blink of an eye it will disappear with a "no signal" message. This can last for a few seconds or hours. Sometimes if I change to RTE2 which is on a different frequency I get a "high" signal other times there is no signal. Conversely it can happen the other way round RTE2 good RTE1 nothing. I know the Carmel transmitter East of Carmarthen use the same frequencies but I've shielded the aerial from that direction.

    It makes no difference if the lift conditions are East/West or North/South it just when there is a lift. As I'm typing the RTE1 signal has bounced from "high" directly to "no signal" and back up again .RTE2 is rock solid on "high".It can also happen the other way round —- most odd and annoying .



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