Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Dispute with mod

1535456585961

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,345 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I'm not really clear any more what is off topic and what is not. CA used to have tight rules about being on topic, and thread bans. The thread ban meant also you should not discuss that topic elsewhere in CA or start a new thread on it.

    The new rules now state: threads will be allowed to meander

    I don't really know where "meandering" becomes off topic. What's ok?
    Meandering into non CA territory, or meandering into the territory of another CA thread?

    Also, I would be curious as to how many of these 'uncivil' posters are those who were previously thread banned from discussing that topic and seem incapable of discussing that particular topic in a civil \ constructive manner?

    Thread bans were dropped, but the feedback in this forum from mods \ admins was that this was proving too difficult to keep track of as it was all manual. However, they did provide an immediate remedy for mods for such situations.

    As a poster there's not much I can do to "help" outside of my own conduct. Regular posters can report posts, but as per above, I'm not clear on what is and isn't off topic v meandering.

    But just providing perspective of a poster on it.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,575 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Honestly? Accept that you're not going to please everyone and look at the bigger picture. You're always going to be catching flak while the people who are using and enjoying the website are very rarely going to PM you to thank you for keeping the place going.

    Every so often, there's one of these threads in Feedback. It's always the same small cohort of posters making the exact same claims over and over and over again ad nauseam. Most of the site's users are enjoying it and getting on with things instead of rehashing the same old perceived slights at every available opportunity.

    I don't mod CA so I don't want to be giving instructions. As a former mod, some of the feedback I got back in the day definitely made me better at it but the signal-to-noise ratio was atrocious. All you can do is weigh up the merits and costs of each proposal and act accordingly.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 6,897 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    I can't be certain about threadbans, as I wasn't really following CA when they were a thing. I understand that they were an "honours" system, and a bit more difficult to monitor. The current system should in theory improve posting standards, as people would risk a forum ban, but I could be wrong in my understanding, so I won't say more.

    On the off topic vs meandering: this could be open to interpretation, but I am talking of things that are quite obvious, "low hanging fruit" territory. Comments that have zero relation to the thread topic, by any stretch of the imagination. I don't want to go to more detail in case posters think I'm singling them out, you might bump on those threads warnings and get a general idea of what I'm talking about.

    As to your point about your own conduct: that's exactly what I meant. That everyone considers how they post in the site. I understand that debate can be heated some times. If I find myself too frustrated about how a discussion is going, I walk away from it for a while and come back later with a fresher perspective. I may have mention it before: written words can be interpreted differently, depending on the reader's mood at any given time. So I always try to avoid aggressive words and make my point in a way that the other person won't take it as rude/attacking etc. People have their opinions on each subject matter they discuss and it is not very likely that I would change their minds. So I don't feel like I need to have the last word in every discussion I have online. If I can't convince them, I just move on, "agree to disagree" and all.

    2025 gigs: Selofan, Alison Moyet, Wardruna, Gavin Friday, Orla Gartland, The Courettes, Nine Inch Nails, Rhiannon Giddens, New Purple Celebration, Nova Twins



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,823 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Very good advice .

    In an ideal world we would all be like that as posters . Civil , thoughtful .

    However it's the variety that makes it interesting .

    Some of the posters I tend to disagree with, I really enjoy their posts and find the arguments they put forward interesting and at times humorous ( and not in a derogatory way )

    Others I agree with don't always necessarily get the same reaction .

    It takes all types to make the forum interesting to visit for me , from the serious , mature or forensic to the quick , fiery or witty .

    I wonder does one group gets moderated more ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,195 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Left leaning posters get an easy time of it on this forum.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,823 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,195 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,823 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I see that .

    I was asking about different temperaments and posting styles and not specifically what people post .

    Like appreciate a post for anything more than a political belief / leaning ? Thank a post / show appreciation for a post from" the other side " ?

    Sometimes things get so heated on some threads it is hard to see any other pov .

    And we are all guilty of that .

    Myself definitely included.

    If we step away as Irish Aris suggests maybe or concentrate more on quality instead of point scoring ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    I guess, different temperaments come into play in the left/right divide.

    I’ll start by saying that there are a number of posters on the right who can post their opinions without getting any “moderator attention” but, by and large, the typical right leaning poster is posting from a place of fear, anger and division. These attributes do not lend themselves to measured, reasoned or calm discourse.

    They, then, seem to think that because they’ve gotten a warning for posting something in breach of the rules, something in an uncivil manner, and the user they were attacking, possibly posting about tolerance, acceptance or compassion, hasn’t gotten a warning that there is an inherent bias on the site.

    This leads to unending complaints, rule changes and additional moderators added but, still, they are not happy,

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,823 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Again I do think generalizing about temperament and posting styles in regard to political beliefs is part of the issue that some of the CA threads are so divisive .

    There are posters who write very well and seem like interesting or funny people but sometimes their views on certain issues are disappointing to me because I don't share them.

    There are a few along the way that would agree to disagree and that is a far better position.

    You can't convert everyone to your own way of thinking and at the end of the day there is not much fun in fighting all the time .

    Better to leave the fray and return or not when it cools down .

    At least that is what I will be trying to do 😉



  • Advertisement
  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 6,897 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    I agree with much of what you said, Goldengirl.

    I am not interested in a left vs right, us vs them distinction. This creates a siege mentality that, in my opinion, becomes an obstacle to a healthy debate.

    2025 gigs: Selofan, Alison Moyet, Wardruna, Gavin Friday, Orla Gartland, The Courettes, Nine Inch Nails, Rhiannon Giddens, New Purple Celebration, Nova Twins



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,823 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Love to be able to say that's me but sometimes ( often !) the blood rises and I just have to vent or explode ..

    ❤️‍🔥🔥💥🌋

    Will try to be more zen 😎🤝✌️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,649 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Lord almighty is anyone else as tired of the constant "you're a leftie!" "you're far right!" bickering as I am?!?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,823 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    I got an idea that everyone should post their Political Compass results before engaging in serious discussion, then I thought maybe everyone's avatar should be their place on the political compass (like on some subreddits) …

    then I went to https://www.politicalcompass.org and clicked 'US Presidential Election 2024' and, was, shocked…

    they must have recalibrated it since i took it last, because going by my last results I'm more lib-left than the most lib-left candidate on there…

    image.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,345 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    @Quantum Erasure I had thought something like a Wokeism of the Day, or rather a "Daily Dispatches from the Culture Wars" might be possible in the Cool Video \ Links forum. Just headlines from media articles like you used, no discussion, it was the discussions that got too heated and in the end there were very few 'Wokeisms Of the Day' being discussed.
    But seeing that even the Political Satire thread in that forum was shut down, I think we have a dead parrot there beyond resurrection.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    I don't know why the political 'satire' thread was shut down either tbh, I mean there was very little of merit being posted in it but it was like that since the thread was opened, so...

    Id say hand out a few warnings to people attempting to thread spoil or people reporting things that don't need reporting, let the rest of us get on with it, and the others will learn soon enough.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 6,897 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    I think any kind of humour thread should come with a very strict no chat rule, zero tolerance even if one has a clean record. There is a humour thread in Soccer, but any kind of chat sees you a 1 day ban straight away - with repeat offenders getting lengthier bans.

    I fear that in CA people will not be able to help themselves and bans will accelerate massively.

    2025 gigs: Selofan, Alison Moyet, Wardruna, Gavin Friday, Orla Gartland, The Courettes, Nine Inch Nails, Rhiannon Giddens, New Purple Celebration, Nova Twins



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,223 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Hi Irish Arts.

    I’ve seen a few of your “carrots” and was genuinely disappointed for you when I saw some of those essentially thrown back in your face a few pages later- that wasn’t at all respectful to you and what you’re trying to do.

    How about this as an idea- it won’t solve all your problems but it might help:

    I’ve noticed A LOT of threads on front page of CA are months old. When a story breaks or a new thread idea is created, people will naturally wish to get their spake in- but it becomes diminishing returns over time and I think that’s when a lot of the issues arise .

    How about after a certain period of time, discretion with the mods, move such threads to Politics forum or indeed a newly created forum where posting standards are a lot higher ie references must be included etc etc -and bans given readily for failure to meet those standards - I guarantee you only the most fanatical will continue posting in that thread- but likely it will die.

    This keeps the front page “fresh” and indeed “current” .

    Exceptions might be say an election thread but even then, shouldn’t be opened until election time and should close once all results in - I think it’s worth a try.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,223 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Some forums have “no discussion allowed” vs “discussion allowed” threads - not sure how successful these are or do they create other issues ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    I just think basic fairness needs to be shown - and the "no appeal" is really not on as no one has any comeback at all.

    May I respectfully ask you to look at the SPHE thread in CA - off topic warnings were issued (I got one myself for a very civil post) and then another post saying that in lieu of a warning the posts were removed.

    Then you look at a poster who has neither, and their off topic posts are clearly visible - and yet that poster earlier was deliberately trying to get posters to comment off topic - I didn't bite, but some did.

    If the mention of a subject is prohibited then shouldn't EVERYONE who broke this i.e. posted after the Moderator warning - be similarly penalised ?

    It is easy to say discretion when it really means playing favourites. You can say not all warnings are public - but then can it be explained why some get a private message and others have their post edited with a digital scarlet letter ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    I see that thread is permanently closed now...

    If the mention of a subject is prohibited then shouldn't EVERYONE who broke this i.e. posted after the Moderator warning - be similarly penalised ?

    You would think so



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    I unfortunately was someone who "bit" on that thread and landed myself a ban. Although credit where credit is due, Necro has been an absolute delight to deal with and I can't compliment them enough for the civil and friendly way that I was spoken to.

    I do think that it's unfortunate that there does seem to be some people that haven't been sanctioned for similar things, but I am not privvy to whether or not they have been warned. But based on my interaction with Necro, I can only assume that it was dealt with fairly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,943 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    That rule used to be enforced and there was a second thread where you could discuss a meme posted not sure what happened to that rule and thread but just ended up with same posters replying to memes on thread. Thread should be reopened



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,823 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    What's SPHE ? All that comes to mind is the leaving cert subject for me!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    The controversy arose because a “certain cohort” wants to believe that Marxists are trying to teach kids all sort of deviant sex acts.

    The, real, curriculum is there for anyone to see.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,223 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    There’s always the poster(s) who want the last word - you call time out and they reply yes but “I’m still right and you’re still wrong” - it’s at that point physical violence towards that poster springs to mind 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭BlackEdelweiss


    I'll take your first comment on board, but your next point was a bit wanky also considering you don't know me, the posts I put up or the mode responses to me.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Can you send me a dm with details of the life coaching business you are keen to get going.

    I'd like to keep it in mind.

    Thanks.



This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement