Dispute with mod

osarusan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122856668#Comment_122856668

I fear that in CA people will not be able to help themselves and bans will accelerate massively.

That should be welcomed, not feared.

CA is still populated by some of the most dishonest, disruptive pricks that have ever populated it. They've been dishonest disruptive pricks since the day they joined, and will be the same until the day they get banned. Their only intention is to be dishonest disruptive pricks as often and for as long as possible. They have absolutely no intention of ever ever engaging in any kind of honest, good faith discussion.

CA could be massively, massively improved by permanently banning half a dozen or so of those accounts. It's genuinely baffling to me why it hasn't been done.

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122858186#Comment_122858186

It is, and its now become an issue for some parents losing the minds over it because of a new curriculum which is inclusive of LGBTQ students. So I'll let you guess what direction that thread went in. '

In fairness, the mods were great, and did give multiple chances to posters to stay on topic, (the curriculum) but some just couldn't.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122858256#Comment_122858256

Just type "the real". The superfluous punctuation marks look like trolling because you can't genuinely think they're correct.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122858832#Comment_122858832

They'd just rereg.

That was the problem in AH which is why CA was created to leave those folks their own playpen.

JP Liz V1

Can't we all see now if a poster got a warning and/or ban from a post as it is in bold in the post that was reported or deemed rule breaking by the mods (CA IMHO) , so you can see who is getting punished and who is getting away unpunished etc.,

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122857267#Comment_122857267

Then you look at a poster … their off topic posts are clearly visible - that poster was deliberately trying to get posters to comment off topic  - I didn't bite, but some did.

Is flame-baiting (or whatever you'd call it) like the above against the rules? surely it should be taken into account when handing out bans to posters anyway.

It'd be a pretty easy thing to spot aswell, is the person who reported the post the same person being quoted in the post that's being reported? Does that post veer off topic and bait others to reply? no need to go looking back 20 pages in the thread for context, it just takes one click…

Necro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122859668#Comment_122859668

Not necessarily - we delete some posts that are warned as they either generate more reports or are wildly off topic (or contain abuse). You won't see those ones.

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122860437#Comment_122860437

But some posts that look to be breaking the rules remain on thread with no visible mod action. And I'm not talking about something buried 10 pages back in the thread either, the mod definitely saw it.

Vote4Squirrels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122857894#Comment_122857894

It's really disappointing to see that thread locked - it seems to be a pattern, someone's ideology is questioned and rather than have an honest debate and state your beliefs - you get the discussion shut down so no one can question it.

Necro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122860496#Comment_122860496

I've just checked the log for that thread and there were about 15-20 posts deleted with some containing warnings for being off topic (others weren't as they were made either just after the mod posts were made or during), how many more do you delete? People refused to stay on topic after multiple warnings and multiples of posts being deleted. So the thread was locked.

Necro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122860570#Comment_122860570

But it's about the SPHE curriculum. Not ideology. Posters were warned multiple times to stay on topic and leave the wider discussion to other threads. And failed to do so. The fact you can't seem to grasp that shows the problem!!

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122860610#Comment_122860610

how many more do you delete?

If you're locking the thread it's pretty pointless to be deleting posts tbh. Just give the ones that brought it off topic warnings, if there's 20 off topic posts deleted but the one that triggered them remains, it looks a bit sus

And quoting myself from earlier

Is flame-baiting (or whatever you'd call it) like the above against the rules? surely it should be taken into account when handing out bans to posters anyway.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122860773#Comment_122860773

It isn't. When a thread is locked, people often bring up posts from it on other threads.

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122860619#Comment_122860619

It's about the SPHE curriculum. Not ideology

If creationism was on the curriculum (or, not explicitly on the curriculum but included in school books and being taught in schools) how would we discuss it, without discussing it

Irish Aris

Good morning everyone,

Apologies, I have an unexpected, urgent matter to deal with in real life, and I won't be very active in the next couple of days.

Just a quick note to thank you all for the input in this discussion.

On the locking of the SPHE: not an easy decision, for sure. And it wasn't based on opinions/ideologies expressed on thread. As Necro said, there were quite a few warnings on thread. And it was getting to the point that we'd have to start handing multiple bans (some of them longer than just a couple of days), which I'm not a big fan of and would like to avoid if I can. If I'm not mistaken, there are a couple of other threads that discuss the transgender topic and I think one of them could include discussion around inclusion of said topic on SPHE?

I will continue reading this thread and I will get back into the discussion in a few days. Feel free to continue sharing any thoughts you may have.

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122860798#Comment_122860798

And what harm? If it's on topic for the other thread, let it be

I kinda get the feeling mods would be happiest if there were no posters and no threads at all

ElitesTeam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122857894#Comment_122857894

Necro just banned me for 3 days for "link dump" which is pure rubbish for the mod and didnt even have the common curtesy to respond to my pms so no stars from me.

odyssey06

In relation to the mod comment - not going to tag in this post given they said it may be some time before they can respond:

"It was getting to the point that we'd have to start handing multiple bans (some of them longer than just a couple of days), which I'm not a big fan of and would like to avoid if I can."

The side effect of this, and I've seen it not just on CA, is that it means poster(s) can "act up" on a thread to get it locked and shut down the discussion, with little or no sanction on themselves. I don't think that is healthy either.

Necro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122860773#Comment_122860773

Depends on what you mean by flame-baiting - if a poster/posters comes in and drags the thread off topic by talking about an ideology, not the SPHE curriculum - and posters respond to these posts in disagreement… who is doing the flame-baiting there? Because that's what was occurring in the thread.

Anyways, this thread isn't really about specific mod actions so I will leave it there.

Necro

Just to clarify @Quantum Erasure the posts were deleted before the decision was taken to lock the thread, not after. I've spent enough time discussing it now though.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122860840#Comment_122860840

There were people going on rants about trans people, other people were going on rants about groups that have nothing to do with the SPHE curriculum. It was definitely possible to remain on topic.

Big Bag of Chips

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122860916#Comment_122860916

Mods are not obliged to respond to PMs regarding warnings in CA.

Vote4Squirrels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122860619#Comment_122860619

With all due respect how can one discuss a curriculum and not discuss the validity of the subjects taught ? We shouldn't teach intelligent design in a Biology class but it can be discussed in RE for example.

And with further respect - that last line was of the level that posters have been warned for uncivil posting, and so it would be great to know if Mods are subject to the same rules around posting that we are ?

Vote4Squirrels

@odyssey06 cf the Refugee Policy thread for exactly the style of posting that is designed solely to get the thread locked and end any kind of debate. It's transparent at this point and really sad.

Necro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122861166#Comment_122861166

If you have an issue with my post, please report it and leave it to the forum mods. Thanks.

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122860917#Comment_122860917

Those who stuck to the topic didn't get it shut down.

The ranting and carry-on by some who refused to do so, were responsible for that.

Yet they'd be the first to come here to complain "we're being silenced".

suvigirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122861174#Comment_122861174

Posters having different points of view isn't anyone trying to shut down a thread.

odyssey06

I don't know the ins and outs of those threads so I'm not directly referencing any specific thread here.

But I have seen on multiple forums mods issue warnings along the lines of… if there's more reports the thread will be shut down.

So if a poster wants to get the thread shut down, they can just start trolling on it, flame baiting, whatever you want to call it.

Just making the general point of closing a thread if there's a lot of reports rather than dealing with the reports, the thread is shut down. Obviously in the short term just shutting the thread down is less work for mods, but in the long run:

It does a dis-service to posters who tried to discuss things within the forum rules.

And it allows those who did not, to potentially go on to repeat the same misconduct on another thread in future.

With the increase in Mod capacity on CA in particular, I don't think it is a good approach to take in the long run.

nachouser

Anti-trans threads are like missed buses, there'll be another one along soon.

Dan Steely

If you're going to delete posts in the mcgregor thread that refer to the trial verdict it would be fairer to delete all of these type of posts rather than a selective few.