Dispute with mod

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122847657#Comment_122847657

that would be another weird hard to enforce rule.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122847657#Comment_122847657

Not if the poster is misrepresenting their position and engaged in concern trolling.

Imagine in an Irish context If someone says they are a centrist but their posts demonstrate constant attacks on government parties and defences of Sinn Fein would their claim have any credibility?

Nope.

We can imagine similar scenario where someone even claims to be a supporter of party X but their posts consist primarily of negative comments about the party and no defences of them.

Msrepresenting your position is more than uncivil. It is dishonest and if it is beyond sanction by mods of course it should be open to challenge by posters.

Anything else is a mug's game and charter for trolling.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122847676#Comment_122847676

Weird? How?

If I misgendered someone on boards I'd be banned in a heartbeat, why is it ok to call someone far right when they've specified that they are not?

Hard to enforce? You know that's not true.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122847681#Comment_122847681

Report their posts then, they're clearly trolling. Put them on ignore. The tools exist to deal with these scenarios. You're choosing to fill threads with crap by engaging with people like that.

I am a centrist and have stated that many times on this site and I offer no support to any political parties or candidates, yet I'm still called far right by people who use that term as a means of undermining my opinions, which is absolute drivel and a terrible standard of argument. Just throw mud at people and see what sticks, it shouldn't be tolerated.

ForestFire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122847681#Comment_122847681

Depends on the context…(And I have never really been involved in any of these political conversations)

You can be centralist, and still think the current government is doing a $h!t job and openly criticise them for the long list of issues, (And it is long)

i.e., RTE, bike sheds, security hut, promotions for friends, children's hospital, housing crisis, Covid, health, etc, etc, etc….

You can also defend SF (or LAB, PPP etc.) for calling them out on these issues, even if you do not agree with their overall policies.

And…. as there is no alternative centralist Government option, so some centralist people, may consider a vote for SF, just to get the current GOV out?

I always imagine this is how the (Far)Right/Left finally get into power (Look into Europe), when people finally get so fed up of the current options and failed government, they will take a chance on anything. (SF are Left/Soc…but not Far left, just for clarity, but they are an unknown…in Gov terms)

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122847771#Comment_122847771

If someone declares they are a centrist / not far right but their posts speak louder than those words and exhibit few if any centrist positions and frequently feature far right talking points....

Well if it talks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

It really doesnt seem like the sort of stuff CA mods will roll up their sleeves and engage with as it requires a lot of context across posts - but clarification from mods on this point would be helpful.

Putting them on ignore isnt a solution to anything. It just creates a platform of echo chamber and soap boxes.

Necro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122846094#Comment_122846094

Aye that was myself that agreed 2 years was fair enough to go back but let me be clear on that, if someone is warned today and then doesn't accumulate a warning for another year or so there's no way I'd be jumping to the next stage on the totem pole either. Even six months and I'd be reticent to give someone a week off they should technically be getting when they haven't been posting incorrectly for that long. Everyone can make mistakes.

Where the accumulation is going to hit hardest is on those who, despite many efforts to attempt to get them to post per the forum rules continue to break them.

Even though we don't have to, I do tend to engage in PM discussion as well when I have the time, as long as the poster doesn't start making bizarre claims or hurling abuse.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122847783#Comment_122847783

You might have some posts along those lines, but you would have at least some posts also defending the government against unfounded or hypocritical attacks and criticising the opposition for same. You would demonstrate some basic standards and hold both sides to account against those standards.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122847817#Comment_122847817

Thanks for the clarification. The rules as outlined in the sticky appear to give no room for maneuver and lack the nuances \ discretion that you describe. That was where my concern came from.

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122847792#Comment_122847792

The old Everyone I Don't Like Is Hitler line of attack.

Falsely trying to attribute far right beliefs to people is a far bigger problem that needs to be addressed.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122847904#Comment_122847904

Welcome to 2024. There are far right posters using social media platforms including Boards to spread their talking points.

There is a reason 'no anecdotes' was introduced as a rule on CA immigration threads, because far right posters were using the old... my cousin heard X. My friend who works in X heard Y.

Do we think such far right posters would be beyond pretending to be something else ... a centrist, liberal, independent, neutral, unaffiliated etc.

You would have to be spectacularly naive or utterly disingenuous to think not.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122847752#Comment_122847752

If I posted for two years claiming to be a man then made a single post claiming I was a woman anyone who pointed out that I was a man for the last two years they should be banned?

Thats unworkable and just advocating trolling.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122847904#Comment_122847904

People posting extreme beliefs and then being outraged at those extreme beliefs being challenged/mentioned is very much a posters own issue the entire website can't cater to the tiny upset minority.

Necro

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122847844#Comment_122847844

Nah mod discretion is always a thing. The type of thread, posters history, have they been warned before etc… that's all taken into account when modding a post. Some threads where there's a lot of contentious posts might be more strictly modded and others might be let meander because they aren't. It might seem like actions are all the same as all y'all get to see is the end result through a mod note but there's generally a lot of thought that goes into what's done and why.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122847752#Comment_122847752

If a person repeatedly says they're moderate then expresses extreme views, they either know they're not moderate or might need some realities pointed out. I've been called all manner of left on the site for the record but I'm well aware of where I lie politically so I don't really care.

machiavellianme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122848411#Comment_122848411

That sounds great but some mods are over zealous and don't let the discussion flow. For example, this morning I checked out the Bitcoin are we excited yet thread for the first time in years. It's 128 pages long so quite a bit of meandering but some excellent discussions and experience shared in between lots of questions, advice and worry. Apparently bitcoin is doing quite well lately and a few of the posters struck up a related conversation about capital gains tax on their investment and related policy. Out of the blue, a mod intervenes and says they can't talk about CGT on a thread about their investment on the investment forum and instead it has to be in politics. From what I can see, a lot of posters took offence to this and said mod doubled down. I'm not sure what Boards.ie thinks about discussion but I know that anywhere else I go, work, pub, home or club, if someone strays away from the central line of the conversation, that conversation is allowed to continue and will eventually realign or take a new path. Why is it ruled with an iron fist here?

For example, if folk are talking about a match in the pub and someone says he met one of the players once, you don't tell them they have to go and talk with a different group about celebrities, now back on track or else...

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122811760#Comment_122811760

Talking about echo chambers, as we were, we could do with another 'wokism of the day' thread, and if it ends up as as much of an echo chamber as the Trump thread, so be it…

uptherebels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122851969#Comment_122851969

For someone who never really looks at the trump thread, you repeatedly claim to know alot about it.

So you either haven't looked at the thread or dont know what an echo chamber is. Or possibly both

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852019#Comment_122852019

I've answered this before but you never responded, tbh I took that as an acknowledgement that you knew I was right, but.. have a read of it yourself and tell me what you think.

Edit, this should open on the page i was posting on, if you click through

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122742604#Comment_122742604

Quantum Erasure

But yeah, wokism of the day, we could do with a new thread.

uptherebels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852066#Comment_122852066

You mean your attempted answer. I did read it. Lol'd and moved on.

You didn't respond to not knowing what a echo chamber is ! should I take that as an acknowledgement that I was right?

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852099#Comment_122852099

Put one in CA.

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852152#Comment_122852152

I'm not the best at writing an OP myself, might get around to it later on though.

Ten of Swords

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852152#Comment_122852152

Never gonna happen

NOT

EVER

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852327#Comment_122852327

..

ancapailldorcha

Honestly, I don't know what some lads get out of trawling the internet for stuff to be upset about, much less the fact that they'll desperately dump it here for internet points.

I've never understood it.

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852366#Comment_122852366

It’s not just the internet, some of them go to the “listen back” function for radio shows, to hate listen, because there might be something to get upset about on them.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852388#Comment_122852388

I was home visiting a severely ill relative this year. One of my family decided that we just had to know about the fact that some random lad in Lincolnshire suggested renaming Easter eggs to Gesture eggs. Scintillating stuff.

Quantum Erasure

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852366#Comment_122852366

I suppose I could start posting in the 'things that amuse me' thread, with the most egregious examples going in 'things that trivially annoy me', although that may even be a bit too extreme...

Irish Aris

I have followed this thread and there has been some good discussion on what the mods can do to help the site. Not much though on what posters can do to help.

There have been some comments that we are heavy handed in the warnings/bans. But honestly, and saying that as a new mod, I wonder how much the alternatives work. Someone mentioned that they appreciate the in threads warnings, but I am not sure they have the desired effect. I have personally issued 2 in thread warnings in a thread for people to keep it on topic - I had a look just now and half the posts, in my opinion, are off topic. Should I go in and start handing bans like "confetti" (as someone here said earlier) or that would be too heavy handed? Should I just lock the thread (it would be the second today, I had to do a mass delete in a different one) or will I be accused of stifling debate? I am all for the "carrot" approach, but frankly I don't always see a positive result to this.

In my opinion, we, as mods, need your help to keep boards going as good as possible. We ask that everyone keeps it civil, so our role becomes less visible, and less necessary. Now that I read CA more, I can positively say that, in many threads, civility has left the building long ago. Not sure how much leeway mods can allow, without threads descending in complete chaos.