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Election to be called Fri - predict outcome

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,542 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Don't vote for them so.

    It's not rocket science.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,759 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    People are allowed try convince others not to make horrible mistakes

    And oh, the irony of you getting bothered about someone advocating an opinion about a political party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭DataDude


    Neither will ever truly be fixed. They’re massive oil tankers, with the ministers merely able to marginally move course by a degree or two. I think the general publics understanding of how much influence a single person can have on entities of that scale is hugely overstated. To loosely quote Warren Buffet - when a good CEO joins a bad business. It is the businesses reputation which will remain in tact.

    That’s really interesting on Donnelly and I can actually visualise him being like that (never met him personally). I wouldn’t vote for him ever again had I experienced that too.

    Suprised at your level of anger on housing given your always challenging the status quo on vacancy.
    Goes against the popular catastrophising but It’s very difficult to make a well considered argument that this government has been unsuccessful on housing. I know you’re ideologically opposed to HTB etc. which I can understand but at a high level on the key metrics.

    • Huge increase in completions over its lifetime exceeding targets (which turned out to be too low due to immigration)
    • Building more homes than any other country in EU
    • Affordibility deterioration COVID relatively less than most other countries with looser lending
    • Continue to be among the most affordable first world countries in the world for buying a house. Dublin in particular being a real outlier for how cheap it is relative to other capital cities.

    Irelands housing problems started in 2005 and can largely be blamed on the Central Bank of that time (who have since over corrected). This government is only picking up the mess.

    Almost every country in the world has had the exact same story on housing that we have, only to a worse degree. It’s too statistically unlikely that every government is just ‘useless’



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,655 ✭✭✭hometruths


    If the metric of success is an increasing number of new builds completed then I'd agree the government is successful, and it is hard to argue otherwise.

    But I totally disagree that the problems are entirely down to the low number of new builds, and challenging the status quo on vacancy rates is just part of that. The high vacancy rate is just one piece of evidence pointing to other underlying problems, and hence other solutions. The catastrophising helps government mask their unwillingness to tackle problems head on.

    The first person to try and steer the vacancy rate discussion away from the findings of the CSO at almost 10% to the current status quo was Leo Varadkar as Taoiseach. The current status quo is little more than political spin.

    I'd overwhelmingly disagree that FFG are just clearing up the mess made by others.

    I'm angry at FFG because most of the problems in housing today are caused by self interested political decisions by both FF and FG going back over a period of 20 years.

    In other words, they're making their own mess worse.

    It's not that I think SF's proposals are the answer. It's just that they are the only alternative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I make no secret of voting No. 1 for the Greens - it will be Roderic O'Gorman in this case - and putting Sinn Fein close to last on the ballot. Because I am so anti-SF, it has me labelled as FFG by the usual suspects.

    John Walsh will probably get my number 2, a hard-working local in Labour, so the highest either will get is 3, probably Emer Currie, out of respect I have for her father and again the hard work she puts in. After that, probably Soc Dems and possibly independents before Chambers. Coppinger, Donnelly, Aontu and the far right will have a tussle for my last few preferences.

    That still won't stop certain posters going after me personally as they continually do.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,050 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    There will be positive impact from the planning overhaul, across the 5 year govt term, as you say.

    Plus the construction workforce move from commerical to residential will inflate output and enable the record commencements to complete.

    If you believe the SF model will produce more homes over the 5 yr term, please let us know your logic.

    How will SF maintain construction during their housing policy transition period?

    What proof do we have that banks will lend on a SF home?

    SF will drive out private investment from the market, yet they rely on private investment to build the MAJORITY of their housing output; how will that work in practice?

    How will average salaried workers get a home, when they dont qualify for a SF home, simply because they earn too much?

    All that matters in the end; who will build the most homes, FFG or SF.

    I just dont see how SF come anywhere close to winning that race. My opinion is their policies are ill thought out, untested and contradictory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭DataDude


    If it’s not the lack of housing that’s your concern, then what is it?

    From a price perspective we would be at least bottom quartile relative to peers.

    Probably the easiest place to actual make a case against FFG would be the lack of availability and price of rentals (which are probably upper quartile). Thats ultimately due to us being too slow to encourage investment funds in to build high density BTL apartments en masse. Some blame does lie with FFG alright.

    I really struggle to see SF increasing the necessary investment in BTL apartments!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,050 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Blocking spurious objections will speed things up; plenty of judicial reviews holding up developments that would have built a small city by now, had they been allowed to progress past planning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭Augme


    Ff bankrupted the country. Fg have over seen record homelessness and a record housing crisis as well as a record waiting lists and over crowding in hospitals. To me, all that makes it clear that FFG are not fit for government.

    Since you're happy to throw out assumptions about me, I thought it would be rude if I didn't follow suit tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,050 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    That planning bill will speed up delivery! It restricts objections to developments, speeds up approvals and adds resources to the new planning board!

    The infrastrucute changes required to enact the SF programme will stop housing completions in its tracks.

    How many private developments do you think will be built, when SF pushes out private investment from the industry?

    How long do you think it will take SF to create a public home building workforce, capable of delivering the homes we need?

    We would see a dearth of new home completions for years if their policy was enacted.



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  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,655 ✭✭✭hometruths


    I am concerned by the lack of second hand housing on the market available to buy or rent. It is artificially low, and the number of new builds makes little to no difference to that.

    The low rental stock and high rents are evidence of this.

    I think it is at best disingenuous to blame lack of investment in new builds for lack of rentals when existing stock in many prime rental areas of Dublin have vacancy rates of over 10%, and in some cases closer to 20%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,542 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The FFer on Drivetime wants to be allowed 'to learn the lessons' on the mess made on immigration.
    Did someone mention 'experience' being an asset of the sitting government?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,050 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    100%

    Got an average salaried job and looking for a home? Nothing for you here, says SF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭DataDude


    Fair enough, I agree the government dropped the ball on tackling vacancy. It’s been far too slow. I do see it as a relatively fringe issue though. I’m also unclear how it makes any real difference whether you build a new unit or bring back a vacant unit. It’s still a unit?

    On second hand housing liquidity. How do you see SF increasing this? I’d see heavy increases to LPT as the best mechanism. I think our rate of LPT is disgracefully low and the valuation enforcement similarly….SF want to abolish it altogether!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,149 ✭✭✭extra-ordinary_


    "I agree the government dropped the ball on tackling vacancy. It’s been far too slow. I do see it as a relatively fringe issue though. I’m also unclear how it makes any real difference whether you build a new unit or bring back a vacant unit. It’s still a unit?"

    So what you've said here is that to build a new unit is also a fringe issue?

    Also, you see no difference in bringing an existing building back into service as opposed to building a new one from nothing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    With The Monk confirmed to be on the ballot in 2 weeks is anyone calling Dublin Central??



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,655 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Fair enough, I agree the government dropped the ball on tackling vacancy. It’s been far too slow. I do see it as a relatively fringe issue though.

    A fringe issue?! In an amply supplied market you'd expect a vacancy rate of about 5%. These prime areas have vacancy rates of two, three or nearly four times that. If they were 5%, it'd be a fringe issue. At 15% it's a huge issue.

    I’m also unclear how it makes any real difference whether you build a new unit or bring back a vacant unit. It’s still a unit?

    In short, the difference is time and money.

    Take Rathmines as an example. If you want to rent in Rathmines, and go to daft you'll find 54 properties available to rent.

    On Census night the CSO found 1,941 vacant properties in Rathmines.

    The FFG answer to the person who wants to rent is to say "Don't worry we're incentivising developers to build new units, just sit tight until they've got planning, finance and completed the build, it could take a couple of years"

    A better answer is to take a closer look at 1,941 vacant properties and see how many can be occupied in the short term, it could take a couple of months. FFG are not even looking at them, they're pretending they don't exist.

    The time bit is obvious, so is the money IMO, but it is not only the cost to build, it is the longer we ignore this issue the more the rents rise in the meantime. We've been pretending it is not an issue for nearly 8 years.

    On second hand housing liquidity. How do you see SF increasing this? I’d see heavy increases to LPT as the best mechanism. I think our rate of LPT is disgracefully low and the valuation enforcement similarly….SF want to abolish it altogether!!

    A proper vacancy tax for one would help immeasurably. As I said above, I don't think SF have all the answers, far from it. But at least they're prepared to do things differently which gives some hope. All we know for sure is FFG's approach is not working.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    SF vote is collapse all over the country.

    https://x.com/Ireland_Votes/status/1857138631288475738



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭MFPM


    One constituency? FF down more? Be fantastic if Seoige falls on her back side!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Interesting poll. Constituency polls are notoriously inaccurate however.

    I think Graine Seoige getting the nomination could backfire for FF.

    Fine Gael is certainly riding high.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,759 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    SF losing Farrell, and not having a seat in a constituency like Galway West while looking at Government, would both be disasters for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Fine Gael clearly benefitting from increasing the rhetoric against refugees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭MFPM


    She's in with a reasonable chance of holding her seat on those figures, far from certain, though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,759 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Really depends on where the centre left and PBP transfers go. I certainly wouldn't be preparing to put the Christmas tree up in the constituency office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    I didn't realise Noel Grealish was still around.

    Former PD, he will likely support any government led by FF or FG.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,811 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    The II guy is apparently FF gene pool. With him Seoige and J Connolly all transferring heavily to each other I'd say FF will just about eke out a seat, hard to to say who though…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,759 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    16% to get a seat, 14% between the two FF as it is; albeit they won't transfer that neatly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,632 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    No matter where he is from I can't see how Independent Ireland voters would also vote FF. The whole point of that party is to attract cantankerous anti establishment types.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,539 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    How does the CSO define vacant properties on census night? Plenty of properties will be empty without being "vacant"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,322 ✭✭✭obi604


    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/1114/1480947-gerry-hutch-election/


    The video above is just weird, like not even asking him questions, just a video of him unlocking his scooter etc the video could have ended a lot earlier when he raised the papers


    all very strange.



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