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FI Charts ( T120+ onwards) Autumn 2024 **READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭squarecircles


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    Slider fun and games next wednesday on the 18z gfs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Wild fluctuations continue on the the GFS. Southern 2/3rds does best this time around

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,540 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    Solid agreement on the ECMWF regarding upper air temps next week

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    www.weatheire.com



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Jma, no slider but very cold

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭Donegal Ken


    Ecmwf model output is more likely at this stage, not much support for the GFS outlook. We will soon be inside the 120 hour time frame.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    Personally I'd rather any sliders to stay away if there are any next week. I always think with any cold spell ,keep the Atlantic well away. Always too risky and often just ends in tears. If there is to be any snow next week I'd rather take my chances remaining in a clean Arctic flow without any threat from the Atlantic and if I still don't see any snow so be it. Anyway have to take each day as it comes with the models in these set ups and see what they are showing tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭compsys


    I'd be inclined to agree. And after what must be one of the dullest three-week periods on record, I'll happily take some cold, dazzling late-autumn sun.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    100%. That's what I'm looking forward to the most if that's what we get and if there is any snow in the cold flow that would be a bonus especially at this time of year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭almostthere12


    Unfortunately I am not loving the model output this morning. The initial shortwave on Monday that was only showing up on the GFS is now showing up on all other models which delays the real cold. There is another shortwave then on Thursday that is currently modelled to bring snow to a lot of Ireland except in my back yard in the south (if any of the models do say snow for Cork for those shortwaves I don't believe them anyway!).

    Of course on Netweather they keep saying those shortwaves (or channel lows) always go further south than modelled, well here's hoping!!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,402 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    GFS 6z rolling out and it's certainly better, keeps the cold going longer and most parts of the country seeing a dusting at the very least.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭mcriot29


    negative Nancy you are ser



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭esposito


    GFS 6Z and Tuesday night/ Wednesday looks very cold with -10 uppers I believe?

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    Also a dusting of snow in many parts. More changes to come good or bad I would think.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭MoodeRator


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    Getting her ready, just in case people are ready to board



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭John.Icy


    The GFS 6z is rather excellent for prolonging the cold. Blocking holds firm, cold air stays about. Again, nothing majorly cold however the 6z does finally up the ante a little next week and we get some -8 uppers easily over the island, something that has not really happened on any of the operationals the last few days. That is getting into very decently cold for this time of year, if not excellently.

    Re: the slider/s, it's looking pretty darn good at this stage that somewhere in Ireland or the UK is going to get some good snow. On the 6z tracking, would likely be back edge for us with higher ground and well away from the coasts (sorry Dubliners) favoured. But as others have alluded to, it's a risky game relying on these type of things, and they could easily be all rain here and prevent a pattern afterwards that sustains the cold spell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,540 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    Netweather posters basing their shortwave commentary on their 'traumatic' experiences last winter when two snowmaking lows were nailed on for southern england and midlands, only to incrementally sink south with each passing run in the final days, ending up just skirting the southern english coast.

    www.weatheire.com



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭John.Icy


    Re: sliders, as our own JS said on Netweather, these lows tend to trend further south when they battle with decently cold air in situ.

    We don't really have that on the cards, the slider is pretty much the start of things, so that typical southward forcing people expect/fear may not be a huge issue this time. The slider could easily barrel through way too north.

    Anything could happen with it at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 655 ✭✭✭Monkeynut


    Yeah last year I just went to Tesco and stuck my head in the freezer for a while to get special seasonal feeling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    GFS has snow cover from T102 to the very end of the run for the NW. If only



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭gerrybhoy


    If Kermit pops his head in, we're off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭MoodeRator


    I am waiting on Sryan to tickle my barometer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭Reckless Abandonment


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    That time of year again. Enjoy the ride everyone



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,639 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Mod Note: Please Note Instruction on every FI thread. Please use appropiate threads for general discussion.

    This thread is for posting/discussing/analyzing FI CHARTS ONLY i.e. Charts in the unreliable time frame, generally +T120 onward for Autumn 2024.

    If your post does not specifically relate to an FI chart then it doesn't belong here - Off topic posts will be moved

    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭Donegal Ken


    I think we will see a cold weather advisory issued by Met Eireann on Friday or Saturday. They seem fairly confident based on there own ensembles that next week is going to be very cold with snow for low and high ground areas. There forecast is different than normal too especially Monday where there giving scenarios.

    Met Eireann forecast

    Sunday night: The uncertainty increases then on Sunday night. The rain may clear southwards from all areas, with colder air starting to become established right across the country, and with showers moving into the north and west, some of sleet in the north. However there is also the chance of rain and milder conditions persisting further south.

    Monday: There's a high degree of uncertainty in the forecast at this stage, for Monday and Monday night. There's a couple of potential scenarios, each bringing the likelihood of some wintry precipitation. One scenario has the cold arctic airmass across Ireland with sunshine and showers, some of those of hail and sleet and possibly snow, the showers most widespread in the north and west. Another scenario, which could bring more disruptive weather, is where a developing area of low pressure moves in over Ireland bringing some heavy rain and strong winds along with some falls of sleet and snow.

    Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday: Certainty returns to the forecast from Tuesday. An unstable arctic airmass will be established right across the country. While there'll be sunshine, there'll be showers too, some of the of hail and sleet and some of snow too. The sleet and snow showers will be most widespread across the north and parts of the west. Highest afternoon temperatures of just 2 to 7 degrees and feeling very cold with the added wind chill from moderate to fresh and gusty northwest winds, stronger in some coastal parts at times. Temperatures by night will drop to between -3 and +2 degrees, maybe colder locally, with some frost and icy conditions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    The chances now of Met Eireann being right on this one are close to zero. Uncertainty has grown considerably since that article and not in a positive way....Still all to play for of course just not as confident as yesterday...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭Donegal Ken


    There ensembles forecast show a rather cold week ahead. Local authorities have also been giving the heads up today from the NDFEM CMT.

    They also are considering a local authorities meeting for Saturday.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,540 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    The ECM begs to differ…

    Also, Met Éireann speak of probabilities and not certainties in their update.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    heading off to swiss Alps next week, im getting readings of between -13 and -21 on gfs and ecm with about 20 cm of snow , has anyone here else experienced this level of cold, iv only experienced extreme cold before for 4 days in 2010, is it possible to stay outside for very long in these temperatures, would i need any special clothing, iv got the basics, thermals, gloves, thick wool icelandic jumper, scarfs,hat etc. or should i just remain in doors. How cold is too cold to go outside for any length of time.

    Mod Note: please keep this conversation and replies for the Autumn discussion thread .



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,402 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    That ECM looks good but when you look at the uppers it's all very marginal for low level areas, -4 to -6 mostly. Given that it's only mid November, the seas are warm and the soils are well above average temperatures. High ground will certainly see some now but I don't see much in the way of lying snow to low levels other than temporary and well inland. Some of the charts a few days ago were better overall with colder uppers and no shortwaves interrupting things. For me to feel more confident about this we need to be seeing -8s at least especially given how early it is. Of course if this was 2 to 3 weeks time we would achieve -8 uppers with a similar setup to what we have now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,392 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    Have been in -22c before, there was no wind chill though, flat calm, it was completely fine. Wind chill for me really determines how uncomfortable the cold is, its harder to stay warm when the wind is blowing!

    Are you going skiing?

    Mod Note: Please keep this discussion and replies to the Autumn discussion thread. Thanks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,604 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Too many shortwave dramas for my liking due to the warm seas. I hope I am wrong but 4 or five degrees with cold rain could well be what alot of us at Lower levels could experience next week . It will be a shock to the system after all the mild weather of late.



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