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Election to be called Fri - predict outcome

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,646 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's about whether you think FF and FG are good at housing. It's whether you think SF would be even worse.

    Personally I think SF should have promised less as it would still look way better than FF/FG's terrible record but held off the criticism that it's fantasy stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,325 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Lots of people are willing to live with it, because the obvious outcome to any solution that works in fixing the housing market (I haven't a clue what that solution is btw) will be that current house prices come down. And people who own houses and are paying mortgages won't want that. Until that circle can be squared nothing will work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    Public sector building for social housing Data, it's not difficult, like how it was done in the 60's and 70's, The results will be tangible. Give the councils use it or lose it funding, believe it or not, there are some very efficient councils out there, some councils, not so much



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭DataDude


    I’m highly confident with the same labour pool, a transition to a public sector led housing model would see us very rapidly lose our hard earned place as the country building the most houses per capita in Europe to being far far worse off.


    Thankfully it’s looking unlikely we’ll find out for sure any time soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,818 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Both just trying to mitigate the damage the issue will inflict on the government parties. Hard to see what more they can do given where we are…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 538 ✭✭✭CONSI


    Plenty of towns and villages around the country that are crying out for people to move to, that should be the priority, rather than more new builds. Repair and renovate existing buildings, bring life back to towns, villages, where people are then resources will follow, shops, restaurants etc, most of these small towns already have schools…people want houses beside their family or near a city while we are letting rural ireland waste away. Government should pick a town, renovate it and show what can be done. places like borris in ossory or buttevant or cappamore etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    That is a far more complex issue and rightly, shouldn't be a priority, although should have nationwide plan for re-generation in places like you mention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,356 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The vacant property tax of 0.3% is a joke. Census 2022 found 160k vacant properties (excluding holiday homes). With house prices rising at 10% annually, that vacant property tax is meaningless. Again, done for optics.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    Your post just reminded me that the LPT is due actually. 😚



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 538 ✭✭✭CONSI


    Some people are saying building 50/60k new houses a year is a priority, I'm just saying why isnt regeneration a priority, which would help eat into some of that 50/60k number, the properties are already there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    I agree with you, but there can be huge costs involved in regeneration, and regeneration is notoriously slow. I think Ballymun was in the region of 30 years, now i know that is an extreme example considering of what was needed to be done and the population, but we need houses(now), in and around the big cities of Ireland (& commuter belts)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭mumo3


    I think calling an election now is a clever move, FF/FG will be riding on the give away budget in working class areas and SF are still feeling the burn from the family referendum.

    Greens are gonna get smashed, Labour party might gain a new seat or two, as they seem to be sweeping up popular independent candidates into their party.

    My calls so far are as follows: if they do manage to keep their seats, it'll be after a number of counts

    Helen McEntee (FG) - Losing her seat

    Roderic O'Gorman (G)- Losing his Seat

    Mark Ward (SF) - Losing his seat

    Brian Stanley (IND) - winning and taking a SF seat



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    To do that, we would have to ban one-off housing in the countryside.

    Rural people get into their cars and drive past their local villages to shop in the bigger towns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    There is a real possibility of Mairead Farrell losing her seat. Looking at the candidates, Grealish, Seoige, Hildegarde, and Connolly would be a cert and i'd guess Kyne potentially for the last seat. And with a bit of luck Donnelly could be toast in Wicklow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,769 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Number of counts is irrelevant, always has been irrelevant and nobody cared until SF supporters tried to make it a thing after they threw seats away last time.

    Most TDs in larger parties get elected on later counts. Going over on the first is for Independents and smaller parties with popular TDs, or parties that screw up vote management.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,697 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,646 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    This is already happening in the towns and villages. Especially in places like Cappamore and Buttevant which are considered "commutable distance" to a city.

    But it will only work in the commutable villages because the whole history of human existence has been transitory. Sorry to say but some of rural Ireland is just gonna die as people move away from farming. It's inevitable and normal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    That'll be a sad reflection on the people of Galway 😔

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,325 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Who is Helen McEntee losing her seat to?

    Roderic O'Gorman was last man elected in 2020, so he's definitely at risk. But Leo Varadkar got 19.4% of the vote then, I can't see all of that transferring to Emer Currie (the sole FG candidate this time), so there is votes out there that he might be able to pick up. Ruth Coppinger will take votes from his left and a second Fianna Fáil candidate will take votes from the pro-government side, so he's definitely in trouble. Being party leader and being very visible will help though.

    Sinn Féin got 2 seats in Dublin Mid-West in 2020 and it's now a 5 seater. Even with the drop in Sinn Féin support in the polls, it'd be a big surprise if he lost his seat.

    Brian Stanley - I agree here.



  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You've obviously never lived outside Dublin. My local village has 1 overpriced shop and 3 pubs. Where do you suggest I do a family shop?

    I'd gladly take the bus into town if there was a bus service so I guess I'm stuck with driving.

    Waiting on your ideas with eagerness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The only time a huge surplus worked for a major party was the election of Cyprian Brady in 2007.

    Bertie Ahern got a monstrous surplus and Brady was way back on 939 votes (2.7%), and benefitted from huge transfers from Ahern. It stands as the lowest number of first preferences and lowest percentage of first preferences to ever be elected. Generally it is very unusual to see that work out.

    More common is the managing of the vote to balance out candidates. The most spectacular of these was the election of 4 FG TDs in Mayo in 2007. FG had 65% of the first preference vote but managed to win 80% of the seats thanks to expert vote management.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    If the settlement pattern was in villages and towns (as in most of Europe) rather than dispersed around the countryside, you get the benefit of numbers that brings services.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭mumo3


    Don't know who Helen is losing her seat but she will struggle to keep it, People are still mocking her over the whole "Talbot Street is safe" while walking around in the middle of the day flanked by guards.

    SF in Dublin Mid West where adding an additional candidate for this election, as far as I've heard that has now been shelved.

    Mark Ward will lose his seat to Glenn Moore (If he runs) He seems to be growing in popularity with the Ireland for the Irish crowd that would normally be a SF United Ireland group in the North Clondalkin area. And losing numbers from the actual working class in the area, by choosing to campaign during working hours…. just look at their social media platforms, all the door to door knocking is done during the day. Either they cant be arsed with those out working or they are too afraid to face them.

    Should be interesting to watch the outcome for Dublin Mid West as they have an extra seat up for grabs, a few new faces in the mix and the most popular candidate in the last local election (Ind) has now moved to Labour.

    I think Gino Kenny (PBP) should be fine, it's the same people who vote for him every time and they're not being swayed by anyone else in that area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,769 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Just because videos only show stuff in daytime doesn't mean night time canvassing isn't happening; its just incredibly hard to do social media posts about it in the dark - not much to photograph/video.

    I have zero knowledge of whether they are actually are though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    Going on my own cons, i fancy Riada Cronin is doomed also(SF did atrociously bad in all area's of KN in LE), Joe Neville (FG) was very popular in the LE, and Naoise (FF) could also win a seat, maybe Aidan Farrelly can scrape through for SD given how hard they are canvassing with along with Catherine Murphy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,697 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The problem is giving planning permission for McMansions up every boreen, who's residents then complain that they don't have buses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,646 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Well there has been a massive increase in rural buses specifically targeting villages off the main routes and the Greens have just pledged a lot more.

    Some of the services will even reroute to the "McMansions" if you call them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭JVince


    There's been a FTB scheme for decades - good times and bad times. The current one has a ceiling on prices which, if anything, are keeping prices of some homes from going too high.

    Its has no effect on homes over €500k (and 350k in some counties) as they are not eligible.

    I remember getting the FTB grant back in 1990 and it really assisted in getting a home as it could be included as part of the deposit. Hence a £68k house was £65k and mortgage was £60k. Max mortgage was 3 times gross salary and I squeezed in by begging for a pay rise from £19k to £20k 😀

    Building more homes is the ONLY way to bring prices back down.



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