Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

Agree with this.

There was so much she could’ve picked up on that Trump ran away with. The trans issue for example has been blown and whipped up to such an extent it’s difficult to see the wood from the trees.

All KH had to do was have the courage to say Trans rights will be protected, but not at the sacrifice of the rights and protection of women & girls. The issue is one hell of a mess and the failure of anyone to take a pragmatic approach to ironing it out is simply astonishing.. little wonder many women voted for Trump on the back of the promise to get rid of the problem.
Needless to say, he’ll not sort it out only inflame, divide people and dramatise it even more.

All KH had to do was have the courage to say Trans rights will be protected, but not at the sacrifice of the rights and protection of women & girls.

Yep - this. Absolutely.

But they couldn't do that because … - well, I can't really understand why not, but then I get into trouble on here regularly for refusing to call men women, so maybe I just don't have the right mindset to grasp it.

But I can guarantee that talking down to women, and saying things like "Why do you care when it's only a tiny minority who are invading female spaces and women's sports" is only going to get more and more women's backs up. Because every male who takes a prize in a women's competition, affects multiple women, and every male who plays in a female team not only takes the place of a woman but increases the risk of injury to all the women who play against that team. And so on.

In other words, the only way that "It's only a tiny minority" argument works is by considering that the effects on women, who are 51% of the population, are unimportant. Presumably because they are women.

And that's not going to be a winning strategy in the long term. It also partly defangs the abortion issue as a reason to vote for the Democrats, by making it a "6 of one, half a dozen of the other" thing.

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I know. What's your point

He explained it in the same op-ed.

Progress does not come in a simple straight line. Even though we lost seats heavily on Thursday, I believe the manifesto of 2019 and the movement behind it will be seen as historically important – a real attempt at building a force powerful enough to transform society for the many, not the few. For the first time in decades, many people have had hope for a better future.

What op-ed?

The one you referenced. 🤷‍♀️

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/14/we-won-the-argument-but-i-regret-we-didnt-convert-that-into-a-majority-for-change

Simply because they haven't a clue, they take their pointers from the lefty Democratic type media in the US, besides the vast majority of them have no perception of life outside the M50 never mind the USA😉

Trump has a way of talking straight forward simple that appeals to working class voters

There might be a rule if you want to appeal to young male voters or else you can lose the election in all probability

I don't really believe that voters refused to vote for Harris because she was a woman. There are enough instances of genuine misogyny to go around, without needing to see it everywhere (not talking about you there - it's been claimed by Democrats)

I agree that she needed to widen her efforts to appeal, or at least to talk, to less "obvious" groups for her, such as young men. But then she didn't seem to be visible enough anywhere really.

Another guy with keys will replace him:

But she wasn't a bad candidate though. She was painted as such, but there was no evidence to support this. And I say this without claiming she was perfect, she wasn't, no one is.

Can anyone saying she was a bad candidate point to someone who would have definitely done better than her. Or would have appeared to do so.

I'd imagine names would include Buttigeig and Newsome and Whitmer. But if any of these had run, and lost, we'd be here today saying they were a bad candidate because 'America isn't ready for a gay President' or, 'Americans think California is in a bad way and it's Newsomes fault' or 'Whitmer didn't have a big enough profile'. And in all cases, choosing someone other than Harris demonstrated a lack of confidence in the Democrat administration of the last 4 years.

I’m quoting the man himself when asked to explain his childcare policy. Not disagreeing with you for a second if that’s what you thought. Your sarcasm meter might be a bit off today ? When people talk about Kamala’s lack of policy I cant help thinking, yeah, but have you listened to Trumps answers when asked about policy ?

I’ve seen a lot of analysis, and a lot of the post mortems, some of which I agree with, some not. The nub of it really does seem to be that policy doesn’t matter, or at least no one was delving into policy to any great degree. Trump knew damn well, for instance, that no-one was eating dogs, or kidnapping kids at school to send them for sex change operations. Didn’t matter. He knew enough people would lap it up. I know you’re not supposed to call the electorate stupid, but it’s hard to escape the conclusion that they are wildly uninformed at best. Now of course if you’re the Democratic Party in the US then you can’t come out and say that, but it really is the elephant in the room. Media plays a huge role in it I think. There is no real attempt to hold Trump to account, and he just won’t do an interview where he has to answer anything but the most softball questions. Could you imagine him in front of someone like Mehdi Hassan, or anyone who would actually push him for an answer or try and make sense of the garbage he spouts ? Not once did I see someone push back when he came out with some unintelligent nonsense to say “I’m sorry, what ?”

I feel like most Irish people don't understand how different America is to most of Europe. You simply can't apply our way of thinking to America. I mean how many Europeans would accept a society where people go bankrupt because their child has cancer? How many would accept 6 weeks maternity leave, a for profit prison system, little employment protection etc. they aren't actually like us very much in how they think. I think it's why the likes of the Irish Times are so shocked when someone like Trump wins. I admire many things about America but wouldn't want to live there in a million years.

I lived there for a few years and glad I did, there's a lot to like about the place.

But there's a lot that puts me off considering to live there long term. It's a fantastic country in many ways if you are healthy and in a decent paying job. But even outside of the healthcare costs, things you mention like maternity care and also paid time off are generally much less attractive than in Europe. The 'Right to Work' environment also would not be tolerated in much of Europe. I thought it was dramatic seeing the whole 'grab your things, you're fired' on TV but it is is very much like that in a lot of non-union environments.

I went from 24 days Annual leave in Ireland, to 10 in America. But don't worry, it would increase by 1 day a year every year until it maxed out at 15.

Had a friend there, he had 4 kids (2 his, 2 his partners from previous relationship). He was at work and was having blackouts, losing his vision for a few seconds at a time. I told him to take off and get it checked out. He was telling me he could not afford to get sick. He would get no sick pay and he literally could not afford to miss work. And he was making north of $150k. He was telling me one of his daughters was in cheer squad at school and the cost of her to be on the cheer team was going to be about 2 grand for the year. Between membership fees, outfits and planned travel events.

At this point I'm wondering if it might be a better strategy for the Democrats just to deliberately throw the next 2 or 3 election cycles on purpose and let voters who usher in their own misery wallow in it for a while.

I think they've got to expect or at least hope the coalition Trump has built will largely fall apart without the glue of his 'charisma'…

Tulsi Gabbard is a confirmed Russian influence agent. She's a real life Selena Meyer.