Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

The next 4 years will be very good years.

Think a lot of the coverage before the election over here was all about Trumps unsuitable character and didn't really talk about the issues so expected people to vote for Harris just to stop Trump. .It's always easy afterwards but she was a poor candidate and the whole Biden removal was so badly handled that it shouldn't have come as any huge surprise that Trump won though the margin was to me at least .

so the democrats were too left wing and not left wing enough

Too pro-Israel and too pro-Palestine

Etc. etc

The democrats don’t need to change any of their policies - they need to understand that their policies don’t matter

Over half the voters don’t know or care what their policies are

Even if they can name a single policy for either party, their examination of it is so shallow that they have no idea what the implications of the policy are

the lesson is that elections can not be fought on policy anymore

It’s about sound bites and misinformation and dog whistles and if you can’t or won’t engage with that, you’re going to lose

Won the White House, the Senate & the House of rep's. Won the popular vote, flipped 7 States, increased the minority vote for him. I would say he did alright.

You don’t need to look as far as America in the near future to see signs of a drop in support for Ukraine, it appears to be starting much closer to home - no doubt Trump will add to their woes but won’t be all his doing - if support overall for Ukraine was a mixed bag in terms of real military back up that would empower Ukraine to defeat Russia in a timely fashion , it’s already getting less certain - don’t have to wait for Jan6th

“Momentum on Ukraine has “dropped back” since Labour took office, according to the ex-Tory defence minister and former army officer Sir Ben Wallace.

Responding to recent comments by Kyiv officials that Ukraine’s relationship with the UK has “got worse”since Keir Starmer was elected prime minister, Wallace said that was because “the leadership that Britain showed right from the start has started to drop back into the pack”.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/09/uk-has-lost-momentum-leadership-labour-ukraine-ben-wallace

What America or American geopolitically looks like in 4 years time will be anyone's guess, but much like his first term and Brexit, the buyers remorse will be savage.

Is buyers remorse savage for Brexit? I'm not so sure. I mean it is for some people, but way too many people already look at the UK economy and blame Covid, and very soon they will shift to being all too easily convinced that it is the fault of Labour because they are the government. Less than 5% of non-party affiliated will care enough to investigate the root cause for whatever the societal discomfort will be in 2025, 26, 27 etc. 80% of British media will be telling them that it is Labour tax policies that are the fault for everything.

In the US, this year, objectively. you'd have to judge the Biden administration as having been very successful. Covid recovery, low unemployment figures, hight stock markets and reduced inflation. And their inflation trajectory matched that of Europes and the UK almost exactly albeit happening earlier and its peak being even lower than in those economies. These are all objective facts.

But still people seem to widely blame the Biden administration for this inflation experience without (for many) fully understanding it, or (for some) disclosing the reality that they do understand.

If people couldn't assess the quality of what was available to them in front of their eyes this time, there is nothing to suggest they will do so at any point in the near future. This election is proof of that.

Depends on what you mean by boring. I do think there will be much less of the limelight chasing and the microphone hogging as there was in his first term. I think people like Bannon, Thiel and others will (partly though Vance) try to navigate him much more carefully through this term. And he has achieved what he has set out to do. The cases against him are dead, the funds for his debt will appear from somewhere, he doesn't care about the next election and his legacy is secured.

But if you are interested in the nitty gritty detail of current affairs and the US political environment it will be far from boring I expect, and somewhat more sinister than his last term once the specifics are revealed I feel.

And it's not tiring to be called pinko-commie, lefty-loony, freedom-hating, Marxist radicals because people want basic education and healthcare?

That is ok? Hunky-dory?

So that bullsh1t is ok? Is it? Really?

GTFO with that nonsense. Anyone who says that is welcome to go pleasure themselves and they can fornicate off.

Sorry pal, but that is just not what Stephen Miller (who has been the most vocal about this) has been saying. This is a bit of revisionism and criminals are not going to be the only target here.

It saddens me to read posts like this. You obviously have been brainwashed by the anti Trump Irish media and you have zero knowledge of American politics, their culture, history, their outlook on the world and their attitude that they are (in their view) the leaders, rulers & guardians of the ''free world''

Americans did not just vote for Trump (the personality) in their millions, they voted for the Republican party ensuring majority in Senate & House of Reps. which is crucial, otherwise Trump would be a lame duck president. RTE and most other Irish media hardly ever mention Senate & House elections, their policies etc. but both are the axles on which American politics turn.

As someone who lived in the States for many years and voted for the Democrats in every election while there - I most certainly would not have voted Democrat this time around. The party has completely lost direction, the far left woke brigade have completely taken over. The party is bereft of policy, of direction, of vision - no one, even their dyed in the wool paid up members, know what they stand for anymore. Latinos, Blacks, Arabs, Muslims etc. etc. and women in general voted Republican in their droves ………..ask yourself why???

I was genuinely hoping that when Biden was elected he would sort out the Palestine issue in the Middle East (or at least make an effort) sadly he made zero effort, instead he has, and still is presiding over and ensuring the mass murder and genocide of an innocent people in their own homeland over 70% of them women & children. He has a lot of innocent blood on his hands yet when Harris was asked on some chat TV show two days before the election if she was president over the last four years would she have made anything different ……..her response was 'not a thing the president did a very good job' I assure you that did not go down well with her audience who rightly regard his presidency as one of the worst regimes ever in the White House for well over a hundred years.

I am in regular contact with friends/relations on both the east & west coast of the States and whenever I mentioned Harris over the last few weeks they all seemed very disappointed in her as a choice of candidate. She had no coherent policy on the economy, on social issues, no foreign policy etc. etc. Compare that with Trump and his party - they had something to offer, they had a plan a vision for the future ''We will do this, that and the other'' like tariffs on certain imports, deport illegal refugees/migrants, produce more oil, no tax on tips etc. etc. (whether one agrees with him/them is of course another issue)

The point is Trump and his team had something to offer, Harris was way out of her depth and basically is not a politician. Once Biden appointed her as vice President she vanished and will disappear again from the political stage after this weeks outing never be heard of again ……... all I wish her is goodbye and good riddance and I hope that the death cries of all those innocent Palestine children as they burned in their tents haunt Biden day & night thru eternity, he had it in his gift to do so much, to save so many lives and yet the did absolutely nothing instead ensured and unending supply of bombs, bullets and dollars.

Sadly Trumps (whose daughter is married to a jew) offers little hope so the future of Palestine and it's people is very bleak indeed…….whatever happened to the land of the free and the home of the brave ???

Anyone talking about the far left woke brigade taking over the Democrat party simply doesn't pay attention to politics.

And once again, if candidate policy is your focus. Can you tell us Trumps plan for making childcare more affordable?

Good grief. With mindsets like this it's no wonder we'll spend the rest of our lives with fine Gael and fine fail in government...

There's a difference a massive one between being left wing and what the Democrats are now. Left wing people don't jump into bed with wall street, Big pharma companies, big tech companies. They don't have an extremely lax boarder policy which only helps big business drive down wages for workers, they don't try and clamp down on people's freedom of speech, they don't fund war and destruction of innocent people. The Democrats have all the bad points of the left and almost zero of the good.

The Tories got tossed as they had blamed Europe for all Britain's ill's and got the simple folk there to vote for Brexit to solve it. When Brexit was passed and things got worse the simpletons figured out they were duped and gave them the heave ho.

Trump Has now twice done the same in the US. Blaming immigrants for everything. Delivered nothing but a collapsing economy on his first term and will do worse this time as he won't have Covid to slow him down and he has more evil twits in his orbit. The average yank is dumber than your average Brit so it's unlikely they'll figure out they were duped.

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