Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

No rational person with Palestine as a priority would have favored trump, most of those bashing the democrats Israel response will now slink away.

I'm absolutely not justifying the exploitation of illegal migrants - and surely one of the objections to a business employing illegal migrants is the risk that they are being brought in by gangs to whom they have become so indebted that they are in effect slaves, albeit not to the employer? The gang leaders are the ones who take most of their pay and keep them housed in appalling conditions.

If the employer knowingly closes his eyes to that, then he is complicit with the gangs - but a private individual employing, say, a gardener or a nanny, might know or suspect that the person is undocumented but is not necessarily exploiting them. Certainly no more than the US government that takes their taxes anyway.

The reasons for Harris's loss are far more easier to understand then the reasons for Trump's win.

So the real question for America going forward is not why Harris lost, it's an election it happens and has always happened, the pertinent question is why did someone who by every single metric is unfit to govern and should be in prison, Win. We can disregard his policies, because someone in the BBC tried to collate something coherent from his soundbites, and it basically boils down to Tariffs on China and EU. So clothes and medicine will increase in prices for Americans, so they will be worse off. The natural progression from this will be more robust trade deals between China and EU, again further leaving America behind.

It's absolutely remarkable that states who had a vote to overturn the abortion ban, said no to the ban but yes to man who brought in the ban.

The Democratic Party are glacial at the best of the times to change, but it isn't really them that has the identity crisis going forward.

When / If Trump finishes his presidency, that will be effectively 13 years of MAGA, Trump and all the associate damage that brings with. We just had 4 years of public fighting with the GOP.

The electorate and the American people will be exhausted to the point of exacerbation.

Just remember the reasons for Trump running.

1. Stay out of prison
2. Revenge on Biden and the Judiciary
3. Enrich himself and his family.

What America or American geopolitically looks like in 4 years time will be anyone's guess, but much like his first term and Brexit, the buyers remorse will be savage.

“The reasons for Harris's loss are far more easier to understand then the reasons for Trump's win.”

You never ask the easy questions do you? 😀

I’m not even sure sociologists or psychologists between them could explain it-

“Time” normally re-sets even “the crowd” - but it hasn’t. And arguably they’re more entrenched than they ever were before, even knowing the illegal acts he did.

Maybe asking the question, what are the tenets that these republicans hold in great regard, would be a starting point?

I’m not an American - like most I have American relatives - but I don’t know America well enough to start thinking like a Republican. Did Democrats just go too far left? Have changes in culture, values, norms and attitudes emerge in such a radical form throughout America, that Republicans are saying, “enough is enough”- we don’t want this to go any further?

Maybe an over arching “feeling” against what Democrats now stand for an hold up as representing them, is too much for Republicans to take - the archetype of a Democrat is just repulsive to them- so it’s far more important to them to field a candidate they believe will win against this archetype , than it is, to question and “vet” this candidates character - the end then justifies the means .

Thats my best effort I’m afraid.

Maybe now Trump will stop some of this crap ..

John Deere reported a profit of over $10bn in fiscal year 2023 and its CEO John May received $26.7m

While jobs are moved down to Mexico and USA plants are shut down. Things like this are why Trump is now President again.

The house looks very interesting atm...

If the dems can squeeze 215ish it's not a bad result

He will, he'll reduce the corporate tax rate by 6%, so another 600mil for the company to pay out in dividends, stock buybacks and bonuses.

Then add tariffs so the US farmers pay more for their equipment and the profit margins on the equipment increase, which will be more and more profits for the company on which they pay less tax on. Win-win for companies.

If he signs a federal abortion ban the effect will be the same.

I’m not an American - like most I have American relatives - but I don’t know America well enough to start thinking like a Republican. Did Democrats just go too far left? Have changes in culture, values, norms and attitudes emerge in such a radical form throughout America, that Republicans are saying, “enough is enough”- we don’t want this to go any further?

Biden is a centrist that leans right, he has more in common with Mitch McConnell then he does with Bernie Sanders.

The charge against Harris was she wouldn't come out from under Biden and chart her own path.

I can't really see what new policies the Democrats had that would be consider too far left of centre, too far left of loon maybe.

In conservative or post conservative Ireland the things we consider left or progressive have long been established norms in America.

The Democrats basically are the guard rail in America for anything resembling a true left party emerging there.

The only thing that could be considered anything "new left" would be essentially under pinning equality rights for the likes of Trans people.

As for immigration, the Democrats have never really shifted position on this, neither really the Republicans who championed immigration and mass amnesty because it was good for business, well they didn't shift until Trump arrived. McCain and Bush co signed legislation for an effective amnesty for 10-12 million undocumented, the Democrats blocked it. A lot of conservatives didn't like it either not because migrants were eating the cats and dogs but because they felt migrants would vote Democrat.

Regan and Bush SNR both opposed borders and favoured more for amnesty, because it was good for business, good for jobs and good for communities.

Immigration was never seen a looney left idea in America, full stop.

Now what Trump did and did quite successfully was blame migrants for all Americas ills, complete nonsense, but that's what the guy does.

Glad to see that Kamala who is part of the genocidal regime responsible for murdering around 200,000 Palestinians has got the boot. Hopefully the slaughter will end as Trump professed. I'll be glad when he's given the boot too. Hopefully the democrats will learn and put forward a non genocide candidate in four years.

I was disappointed to see Jill Stein get such a small share of the vote. As I said previously, if I was American, I would have voted for her.

You state the Democrats are a rich person bubble and why people went the other way. But a couple of lines above you talk about Musk and the cronies.do you not see been a hypocrite with that

That really isn't surprising, considering Trumps policies either didn't exist or were mental.

On inflation Trump said he would deliver lower rates by deporting migrants and increase blanket Tariffs, which by every single metric is inflationary.

On Health, he didn't actually have anything, he planned to plan something. Harris said she would continue the monthly cap on prescriptions.

On Guns, Harris said she was gun owner, Trump ranted and raved but didn't confirm if he has or not. Given now he is a convicted felon he probably can't own one.

On the economy, Harris wanted a moderate increase on taxation of people earning 400k+ whilst extending other tax credits, Trump wanted to build on his tax cuts from 2017 costing trillions which favoured the richest in America.

But were they shown ALL of them, or a careful selection of some of them?

Because the question is not just "Do you like more of candidate A's policies?" but also "Are there any of candidate B's policies that are a red line for you?"

Also, remember that Trump didn't actually increase his vote, Kamala lost votes because people didn't turn out for her. So again, a useful analysis would need to consider why that happened.

But of course, if what someone's really trying to do is to prove that their candidate was better and that they only lost because the voters are stupid, cherrypicking voters opinions is exactly what you'd expect.

It's just a pity because until the Democrats actually begin to question themselves and their policies, rather than continuing to despise everyone else, the Republicans are likely to be in power for a loooong time. For example:

With the Republicans (and MAGA) having the President, House and Senate ìt could be a mad 2 years until the midterms. Trump is lazy so would do nothing. Its those around him