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Dispute with mod

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,223 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “ but that last line is a rotten apple in the Boards basket.”

    On the contrary I was merely using the very same method of communication that the other poster had introduced towards me -an empathetic way of relating to someone who uses “a rotten apple” if you will - but you chose to attack my post not theirs. Interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,036 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Would it be feasible to have something like "users can only start 1 thread per 5 minutes" in place? Those bots always start multiple threads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    Not even close.

    Link dumping is a warnable offence.

    Ignorance isn't a defence.

    Your opinion on the merits of an offence is irrelevant.

    That you think that is something akin to what judge dredd would say (joke) is perplexing.

    Both in lack of accuracy and humour



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    I mean even 'link dumping' seems to have turned into a partisan issue going by who's thanking posts, it wasn't so much the other day before the mod deleted a ton of posts though...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Can we stop with all this “thanks intimidation”, please? Users should be free to thank whichever post they feel warrants it.

    I, myself, thank posts I would agree with, find funny or find “informative”. I’ll even thank ones I don’t, necessarily, agree with but found, somewhat, humorous.

    We’ve already seen a “certain cohort” trying to make reporting posts an offence, or something users should be ashamed of. We don’t need the same “campaign” against the thanks function.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



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  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,552 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    There's already time limits on starting threads, posting comments etc. but you have to understand that the balance has to be found between targeting spammers, without penalising genuine posters.

    Reporting a post is the equivalent of starting a thread for an ordinary user. So if we limit that to one every 5 minutes it will limit genuine posters highlighting genuine issues.

    For now, we have what we have and the moderation team tend to deal with it all pretty quickly.



  • Posts: 436 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And people who aren't even moderators condescendingly wagging their fingers at those questioning rules. Maybe they should stay in their lane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭thegame983


    Mods definitely aren't thrilled about the orange man winning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,019 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I know search is a pain here but some threads seem to be gone or a few threads on the same topics

    I assume mods gets reported posts for duplicates or for merging threads



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    fair point and I wouldn't normally do it, definitely not outside of a feedback thread, but it's interesting to observe at the same time.

    tbh I'd be very partial to an 'ironic' thanks myself, or any post that I found amusing, or interesting, that I didn't necessarily agree with, but I thought deserved an acknowledgement at least



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭BlackEdelweiss


    No, I actually got strips torn from me by the mod, calling me a shill and grafting on peoples misery and a few other things. I have spent over €14K this year on training to help people who are struggling with life a bit and was just looking for a volunteer which was part of each of my modules, do a coaching session with a stranger for free.

    It was the gentlemans forum and there were people talking about suicide rates, stress etc so I thought it might be a good place to ask. I explained it clearly what I was looking for.

    Total abuse I got from the mod wanker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Ok, so your intentions were good.

    But in an anonymous environment, if it all it took for someone to look to attract business was to claim good intentions, then the site would be full of such threads. It's not the place for it.

    But here's a small piece of advice I hope to take as well intentioned. Referring to a mod as you have done in your final sentence here would suggest, to me, that you maybe could do with getting some life coaching yourself rather than giving it just yet. It does not come across as someone with understanding and who is able to remain calm when met with a slight setback.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    My post shouldn’t have been aimed at you. There were a few posters, on another thread awhile back, who were having a go at people thanking posts and were calling for sanctions.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,552 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    The moderator cannot verify you are who you claim to be. It hasn't been unheard of for posters online to prey on vulnerable people for their own benefit/amusement.

    The correct course of action would have been to contact the office first, from a verified email address and outline what you were looking for.

    The moderator was perfectly correct in shutting down your thread. I'm not sure what abuse you got from the "mod wanker", but perhaps it wasn't unprovoked?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    That only addresses half the problem. The rest of us have to read through posts which aren't being moderated and should be. We have to see some posts pinged for being 'uncivil' and the next day see similar posts remain untouched. As I said in my previous posts, telling people their posting style is only half the problem, the other half of the problem will be people packing in CA Boards because it's no longer fit for purpose as a discussion board. I've had posts 'warned' just twice in all my time on this site, so suggesting my posting style is the problem is well wide of the mark. I've seen threads that should have been vibrant die a death because trolling isn't moderated but people reacting to trolls are. There's only so many times you can be bothered reporting posts when you see that it has no affect and the same posters post the same rubbish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    As users we cannot control which posts are “actioned” after reporting. The one thing we can control is how we post, ourselves.

    One thing I’ve learned the hard way, on here, is that if you reply to a post that, you feel, is attacking or uncivil, you are liable to get a warning and it would be a “warranted” one.

    The best way to approach it is to report the post and leave it to the mods to decide what happens. Sometimes the posts we feel are the same as other posts that got “actioned” might not, actually, be the same at all. The mods make that call.

    From the outside, looking in, it would appear that the “new rules” are working well. The DP forum has been, exceptionally, quiet and the forum has a couple of new mods. I’m not sure what else the mods, or admins, can do.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,353 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The Dispute Resolution forum is quiet because for the vast majority of CA warnings the new rules clearly state they cannot be appealed to it.

    So I dont see how you can read from that the new rules are working well.

    I dont think your posts reflect experience of current affairs forum as it is today. By your own admission on the thread you dont appear to frequent it a lot.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    The rules were brought in to save time for the mods, weren’t they? I used to think it was mad they gave so much time to the posters in DP.

    You’d have clear “problem posters” posting the, incredibly lengthy, PMs between them and the mod over something that they, really, had no leg to stand on. A complete waste of time. And then they’d appeal the decision when it went against them and it was waste the admin’s time.

    From that perspective they must be working very well. I’d follow a couple of threads in there but they don’t seem attract much mod “attention” so I haven’t, actually, seen too many warnings in there. But I will say, the warnings I’ve seen given look well deserved.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    Can't believe this is still on the Go , the person who is in dispute or wrong doing should probably get his/her or nowadays them admin or moderator title removed , has no further action been taken ? For the person that started this thread I mean



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,353 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Yes. If you dont actually frequent the contentious CA threads but are basing it on the Dispute forum being quiet. The Dispute forum has to be quiet. Instead we get threads like these though.

    Saving time for mods shouldnt be the sole criteria for assessment.

    I agree with the Dispute changes but given there is no appeal I have made the point the warnings should be time limited.

    Also the 50 post requirement has cut down on rereg trolls in CA by 99%.

    If saving time for mods was the criteria, en masse lifting thread bans runs counter to that.

    The mods and admins can answer for themselves how much time has been spent dealing with previously thread banned posters who promptly resumed same behaviour on those threads.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,594 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Its debatable if the new rules are working well.

    They seem to have been introduced to just purge the CA forum of posters of a certain political viewpoint using manufactured warnings.

    I see multiple posts being unfairly warned for being "uncivil" whilst the same repeat offenders troll, bait, and post disengenuously to their hearts content.

    There is no consistency.

    Break a red light, try to knock someone down, thats fine but a broken tail light, thats jailtime.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,432 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Its debatable if the new rules are working well.

    Is not, they are!

    A multi step approach has been taken with CA to address the persistent issues it faced, and this was driven by the recent feedback threads. The issue is that some people expected this to be an overnight fix, which it isn't.

    We brought in minimum post count, we updated the rules (no more threadbans, warnings automatically include an incremental ban) and we have steadily increased the number of moderators by 3 over the last few weeks (Necro, Irish Aris and another new mod who has not been announced yet).

    Do you find CA better now than it was 6 months ago? If not, what are the reasons?



  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No leave to independent ( I use that word advisedly) leaves bannings open to the whim of the mod just because they didn't like it and it didn't fit with their own biases on the subject.

    I got banned for a post just because it wasn't provable and there were no posts on boards about it with links to online news sites. Mod even went so far as to look for the school policy stating they allowed a certain practice.

    He was just short of asking me for the names and phone numbers of the people who told me.

    Absolute looney stuff. But it just means I'll either reduce my posting in CA or leave it alone. It's just not worth the hassle to be dealing with lunatics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,353 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    A big issue I have seen due to the clampdown on "link dumps" is now we have the opposite issue.

    Excerpts which appear lifted from an article pasted with no link to source. Sometimes there is a vague reference to the provider eg a newspaper site. Sometimes less than that.

    I thought that was against fair use copyright rules.

    It also makes it hard for other posters to review the excerpt in context, assess if fairly presented.

    (As per previous admin rules on thread, let me be clear I am not trying to question link dump rules but am raising a side effect of it)

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,353 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    And completely inconsistent when we are told mods arent expected to operate as fact checkers and on other CA threads wild claims, fake news and conspiracy theories can be stated as fact without supporting evidence or engaging with followup questions.

    I dont expect mods to operate as fact checkers but statements of fact should be supported. That was how CA used to operate and made sense to me.

    Now it is arbitrary and inconsistent.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,594 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Its funny you should mention conspiracy theories.

    You mean the ones like Biden would not run for relection or the Democrats were going to switch Harris for Biden, or Trump would do well with black voters and hispanics, or Kamala Harris was hiding from the media and wasnt a good candidate, those type of conspiracy theories ?

    There was one poster in particular in the election thread who loved accusing other posters of peddling conspiracy theories and misinformation. Of course it was all just a tactic to try and tarnish other posters character and shout them down.

    Everything was a conspiracy theory or misinformation.

    The irony was he himself had literally crept out of the Conspiracy Theories forum a day after the new CA rules were introduced. A forum he had posted exclusively in for years before that.

    When this valid point was highlighted on the thread, a warning was issued as it seemingly was discussing another poster and posting history, despite the fact it was a perfectly logical argument.

    The poster hasnt been seen since the day of the election.

    It was clear as day what his goal in that thread was, well to all but some.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,223 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Well do you want CA to become “Politics” and all the rules that entails?

    Throughout the presidential campaign some posters were posting reams if text copied and pasted from articles and just a few words from themselves explaining it - I didn’t read 99% of those as I have a life 😀

    I’d prefer just to discuss honest thoughts with honest posters - if you “feel” x will happen , then say so and maybe explain why you think that- I might “feel” y will happen and I’ll give my reasons for that - but I won’t be demanding a thesis from you to back up what you’re saying - we both could be full of bullsh1t and wrong but it’s the discussion that’s the whole point of this website - it’s not a competition to see who can post the most links .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,353 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    My point is, if you are using excerpts or quotes from an article to support your point, that forms part of the reasons why. And if doing so, you should provide a source to those excerpts or quotes, not just a vague reference like the BBC or Twitter. This is not some concept I've invented, my understanding is that it is the Boards policy (see link below from 2012) but it is not being enforced on CA at present. Did the policy change?
    Copy and pasting a full piece of an article from a newspaper or blog etc will not be allowed. You may copy a paragraph of the piece and must provide a link to the source under what we hope will be seen as a common sense and fair use approach.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2056565895/changes-to-policy-regarding-copyrighted-material-on-boards-ie/p1

    And secondly - if you are making specific claims, statements of fact, that should be supported.

    Neither of which is about making Current Affairs = Politics forum.
    In the first instance, it is basic online etiquette and fair use of copyrighted material.
    In the second instance, it is the rules that were previously seem to have been applied on CA.

    As to your point about reams of text copied and pasted, even if with attribution, that is a bit of a grey area. At what point is long too long - from a moderation point of view? Although most of the time I would also skip such a lengthy post unless it was in direct reply to me. And I suspect most posters would do likewise, remembering the quote…

    "This report, by its very length, defends itself against the risk of being read."

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,223 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    there were certainly a few posters guilty of that - as for “sources” sure post the link to where x said y - that’s fair enough.

    But even then, if posters are engaging in honest discussion, and providing their “opinion” , I really don’t see the need for references.

    I’d would have preferred to have a “discussion” with a poster who said “Jayzuz I think Trump will win, I can feel it in my waters” than a poster who provides a dozen links as to why they believe Harris is the only choice to make. I would learn a lot more from the former , if they replied and tried to articulate why they thought that than to read a pile of commentary bullsh1t that ironically, has turned out completely wrong in the end anyway.

    "This report, by its very length, defends itself against the risk of being read."



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