Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

“Imagine” is the bit you missed

I don't blame Kamala. It was not her fault for losing.It was always going to be a miracle as she,was laid in.

It was President Biden and the Democrats fault that Trump got in again. Biden never should have ran for a second term and the Democrats should not have let him. If Kamala had been there from the get go she would have won.

Wonder did any of the private polling pgive any indications to what actually turned out.I am really surprised Trump won the popular vote ,never saw that coming .

I really cannot see after this election how the country is going to stay together as one unit in the medium to long-term. The divisions and partisan hatreds are so deeply entrenched now in America, a country in deep and profound decline, that I fully expect individual states to secede (or try to) from the union and more violence in the interim from the MAGA right wing.

Shur you could be saying exactly the same if Kamala won, only moreso...

Because the US was involved in supplying security guarantees for Ukraine which they reneged on. The self appointed policeman of the world wants to have their finger in every pie when it suits them. When it doesn't, they just abandon them.

Plus they're not paying for foreign wars, they're providing obsolete stock at inflated prices and pumping money into US arms manufacturers and creating US jobs. It's not like they're dropping billions in a Ukrainian bank account and telling them to fill their boots on Amazon.

I agree that the first finger of blame should be pointed firmly at Biden for deciding to run again. That said, I don't know if a) Kamala would have gotten the nomination if they ran full primaries, or b) she would have won if she'd been the nominee from the primaries on.

From most of the discussion, the biggest issue was the economy, and Harris was firmly tied to Biden's policies on that. While they were dealt a bad hand with inflation post-Covid and managed it well compared to a lot of other countries, enough voters seem to have always been set to vote against them because of the effect inflation had on them. If another Dem had won the primaries, they could have separated themselves more from what Biden/Harris did and said "I support what the President has done, but if I'm elected here's what I'm going to do differently"

That alone might have at least made the swing states properly close

But yeah, it starts with Biden. There was no good reason for him to run again other than personal vanity and ego, and while incumbents usually have a huge advantage, his age and the economy absolutely outweighed that.

20% of black men and a majority of Hispanic men 54% voted for Trump. Even 37% of Hispanic women. So much for him winning because of racist white men

Because most Hispanic people are not illegal immigrants and are actually strongly in favor of tougher immigration policies. A lot of them live in boarder states and actually don't fancy competing with new arrivals from Honduras for work. Honestly Democrats seem unable to grasp that just because someone's heritage is from a place doesn't mean they want loads of people from that place showing up unveted.

No, she wouldn't. She doesn't have the personality to be President. Americans are all about the show, the entertainment. Without some sort of charisma then there's no chance of getting elected. Trumps "charisma" isn't appealing but it's hard to ignore him and that is preferable to someone who appears decent or nice.

I said I wouldn't come back but I thought I better to bookend what I said.

The Dem implosion is in full flow. Choosing Harris was a terrible mistake.

I did cast my oar in Buttigiegs direction but Gavin Newsome as well, would have ran it close.

There's an awful lot of soul searching today but maybe people will pay attention to the actual state of the Union, rather than go ahead with actual loudmouths and what they say.

DT won more of the Puerto Rican vote and that.. is on Dems.

The concession should be "Reap the whirlwind, America. God Bless, you'll need it."

Well, given that many of them may have arrived as illegals themselves, or are the descendants of illegals, then I'd say a lot of Democrats probably do not grasp the 'I'm alright Jack' attitude.

It comes across as pulling the ladder up after you yourself have used it. Pun intended.

It’s funny what people find funny

CNN reporting that Joe Biden has made a courtesy phone call to Donald Trump.

Classy move.

A great public servant that was treated very badly by his party. His dignity remains.

What's with Robert Kennedy getting 600,000+ votes? I thought he had dropped out, but some States left his name on the ballot?